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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2011 15:39:20 GMT
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Post by etiennehamel on Sept 26, 2011 16:22:11 GMT
i think both are fakes...
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Post by jhart06 on Sept 26, 2011 16:27:48 GMT
I had the same on mine, which are, but i'd like to request for the interest of everyone here how and why you arrived at that conclusion.,.. it helps and educates no one to just say it without providing the information why.
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Post by ghost on Sept 26, 2011 17:10:38 GMT
I'd say these were fakes as well. The gunto looks to have had the signature added on post -haste. He mentioned it might have been cleaned explaining the lack of proper rust on the (tang). The signature is just messy as hell - looks like the "smith" had a epileptic fit while signing. I don't even think an ignorant person could even cause such a mess by file scraping out the original sig. Oh, also the ito is synthetic. Everything on the old sword looks bad...the "ito" is the most blatant - synthetic and looks like something pulled out of my swimming tunks. Don't really have to mention the blade... and the fuchi is....well :lol: Sig looks to be dremel-ed or routed out - even/uniform in depth and width, so not done with a chisel. Look at how the rayskin was "aged" - either lightly sanded upholstery grade stingray or they just brushed it with some wood stain. edit 2: oh my...I just noticed that the engravings on the blade seem to have been done with a leather punch (and the same exact one all throughout) - notice the clamshell pattern. I hope you didn't lose too much in this trade - I think the gunto is a fine reproduction piece and looks very well made. I'd say you came out on top if you didn't toss more than $150 his way. edit & caution: (guess I will talk about the OS blade ) I don't think the "old sword" is even heat treated...so be wary cutting with it - it'll just bend. Someone just taped and acid etched on a fake hamon.
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Post by MLanteigne on Sept 26, 2011 18:12:35 GMT
Yeah, the gunto isn't a bad repro at all...
The "old sword"...the usual chinese fake. Just look at the shape of the kissaki (tip). That is the first major dead give away.
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Post by etiennehamel on Sept 26, 2011 18:15:27 GMT
ghost: don't forget the kissaki and the carvings on the blade on the second sword.
the first one is not that bad looking but is still a fake, i can tell just by looking at the blade. the fittings might be from a real one though this is the only thing i'm unsure about...
MLanteigne beats me to it for the kissaki ^^'
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Post by ecovolo on Sept 26, 2011 18:38:09 GMT
As for the 'officer's sword', this is the big giveaway that it's a fake: (link to photo: s931.photobucket.com/albums/ad15 ... G_0288.jpg ) On real WWII Japanese gunto, the serial number is stamped on the blade, and another on the scabbard. If you're lucky, they match . --Edward
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Post by etiennehamel on Sept 26, 2011 20:54:05 GMT
thanks Ecovolo now my doubts are gone ^^ was beginning to think the fittings were real seriously!! i'm not joking by the way.
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Post by jhart06 on Sept 26, 2011 21:14:44 GMT
I dont want to be taken as rude or doubting on my posts here... I just think that in situations like these, it's best to know what to look for.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2011 0:05:20 GMT
Thanks for all of the helpful posts, I am not upset they are fakes, what is the first sword worth if anything? Does anyone want it?
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Post by MLanteigne on Sept 27, 2011 1:32:44 GMT
Keep it! The blade shape and geometry is pretty decent as are the fittings. Do a bit of reading on gunto to learn about them, then get a nice sword stand and display it.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Sept 27, 2011 1:39:07 GMT
I agree. If you are burning to recoup some of your losses, then put them in the For Sale or Trade section, but that Gunto doesn't look half bad. You may want to keep it. Good luck either way.
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Post by masahiro560 on Sept 27, 2011 7:43:21 GMT
Well upon what I see as what others have stated before both are fake. The first one was the habaki and the tsuba the seppa and the mei. They're all the give aways that say it's a fake The serial number is only stamped on the sword if it's an NCO blade. On an officer's sword this was rarely done since they were not mass produced by machine. Although usually also officer's swords were mass produced by the Seki Factory by smiths, hand forged. Although the serial number was Never stamped on the habaki on an officer's sword the serial numbers would have been stamped inside the buttcap, the fuchi, the spacers and the handguard. I had one with all the numbers matching. Very proud moment to see them match On the second is the engraving a cat..? and that kissaki looks hmmmmm. The ito looks like shoelace. anyway. I think you should keep the replica gunto. It actually looks convincing unless you look at the tsuba.
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Post by ecovolo on Sept 27, 2011 18:39:57 GMT
Oops! That's right; officer's swords did not have numbers stamped on the blade. The stamp on the habaki is a giveaway that the sword is a fake, though. Hopefully the OP did not pay too much for this sword. OP: Did some research; more info here about WWII katana: www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~t-ohmura/gunto_002.htmPictures? Would love to see this, if possible. --Edward
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Post by jhart06 on Sept 27, 2011 18:50:51 GMT
you'll want to read the rules on cross-posting on this forum and ebay, btw... it's not allowed, so far as i know.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2011 18:53:10 GMT
Sorry, ill fix it.
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Post by jhart06 on Sept 27, 2011 18:55:23 GMT
no worries at all man.. you're best off putting up a new thread in the classifieds/for sale section with the price and info/pics... you'll get more luck and traffic.
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Post by masahiro560 on Sept 28, 2011 1:09:08 GMT
Sorry. That gunto was already sold so I can't provide any recent pictures. I had it sold because I wanted to have it restored but had no $$$ But here are some images from the listing I made for the gunto The number is 818 and it was present underneath the kabutogane, fuchi, the seppa and the tsuba. I don't know if there is a serial number underneath the kojiri and the koiguchi and the ashi because they were still tightly attached to the saya.
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Post by Elheru Aran on Sept 28, 2011 15:11:38 GMT
Like others said, keep the gunto, it's a nice blade at the very least. May consider having it sharpened/polished if it needs it. The only thing I might do is look for more authentic fittings and clean up the rust/damaged paint on the saya, as well as perhaps replace the numbered habaki with a plain one. If you sell it, I'd suggest just openly saying "replica gunto in good condition". The katana, on the other hand, ugh. The carvings are bad enough but the kissaki just kills the whole thing. I'd have someone look at it before selling it, but I wouldn't value it much over fifty bucks personally...
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Post by lamebmx on Oct 5, 2011 19:53:53 GMT
Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, and enlighten my eyes in the process if you would.
But I dont see any mention about the file marks on the Nakago (tang). Seems to me the file marks on both of these are not as prominent and defined as on real Nihonto I have seen pictures of.
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