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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 14:25:16 GMT
Hi gents, Does anyone have info or links to the various JSA official ryu’s??? At the moment im considering about getting into JSA but just a little confuse about the many ryu’s and what’s legit and what’s not etc..... There’s a dojo about 30min from my place but I’m not too sure about which lineage of JSA ryu they’re teaching??....please help this newbie and oh I’m from Sydney OZ. www.kokororyu.com/P;S Sorry If I offended anyone from the dojo, it wasn’t my intention...... ;D Thank you everyone......
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Post by slav on Jan 14, 2008 15:11:32 GMT
Are we talking about Kenjutsu or Iaido?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 17:10:39 GMT
Hi gents, Does anyone have info or links to the various JSA official ryu’s??? At the moment im considering about getting into JSA but just a little confuse about the many ryu’s and what’s legit and what’s not etc..... There’s a dojo about 30min from my place but I’m not too sure about which lineage of JSA ryu they’re teaching??....please help this newbie and oh I’m from Sydney OZ. www.kokororyu.com/P;S Sorry If I offended anyone from the dojo, it wasn’t my intention...... ;D Thank you everyone...... They say they are a kenjustu with about five five main disciplines Battojutsu: (combative sword drawing), drawing and cutting with the sword in one decisive motion. Shinai Geiko: Armoured training to develope the use of the drawn sword in a combative environment. Kumitachi: prearranged partnered drills used to develop speed, strength, coordination and timing. Atemiwaza: (striking techniques) The use of the sword Tsuka (handle) or Saya (scabbard) to strike an opponent, this also includes the use of body weapons. Matogiri: (target cutting) Also refered to as Tameshigiri (Test Cutting) is training to use a Shinken (live blade) to cut various styles of "Targets" to actually test a swordsman's skill. www.kokororyu.com/faq.phpen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batt%C5%8Djutsu shinai geiko (training with bamboo sword and protective equipment) www.aikiweb.com/wiki/Kumitachi?wiki_session=e1d7c08945bfaceffbd22bc722b899b8www.geocities.com/aikiju-jitsu/atemiwaza.htmlTameshigiri means to test cut, but implies testing the sword, while Matogiri means “target cut” and implies to test the swordsman. as for being legit there all legit
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 19:15:58 GMT
Wayne Hanley's qualifications: To me, it seems a little thin as far as an official rank in a traditional sword art. 7th Dan Black Belt - Kokusai Butoku Kenkyukai Association - Bujutsu 6th Dan Black Belt - Okinawa Butoryu Gohokan Karatedo Kyokai - Menkyo 5th Dan Black Belt - Australian Shihan Kai - Jujutsu The first, and most pertinent to sword training seems to have been awarded through this association: www.geocities.com/kbkfed/Kokusai.htmlIf I was you, I'd keep looking around. But I'm not, huh?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 19:20:24 GMT
are we talking about the Dojo's authenticity or the styles they study ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 19:26:34 GMT
I think the OP was asking about which ryu is covered in the study and if the instructor had credentials. It looks like he might be qualified to teach kobudo through his Okinawan karate credentials, and kobudo usually contains some katana work. It's not really considered "mainstream" JSA from what I have seen.
Anyway, "Kokoro Ryu" appears to be made up and not part of a traditional lineage.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 19:40:37 GMT
kortoso I agree his rank as an official rank in the Japanese sword arts does seem just a tad shady from what I've read. But Vue its near you so why don't you check it out anyway just to see it you like his style of teaching. They do have a nice little shop though Here a website with somebody interviewing Mr.Hanley if you want to look www.knucklepit.com/mixed-martial-arts-wayne_hanley.htm
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 8:59:42 GMT
Hi gents, Thanks for the all the help!!! slavia631 – iaido or kenjutsu? I would love to learn both if possible , and could you please tell me the major difference between the two??.........all I know about iaido is that it’s all about the art of drawing the blade.... kortoso – yes I was talking about the ryu and the instructor credentials Martialartist – thanks for the advice, I’ll definitely go and check it out just to see how things are there ;D Oh there is also another dojo which is a lil further away from me “within an hour drive”...i think its nakamura ryu if memory serves.....here’s the link www.japaneseswordsmanship.com.au/nakamura2.htmlPlease any thoughts and opinions will be much appreciated...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 9:05:21 GMT
G'day Vue, I live on the northern beaches of Sydney and am studying a koryu called Shinto muso ryu. My schools main focus is sword and Jo. You are welcome anytime to attend a class, if you like ? Hi gents, Does anyone have info or links to the various JSA official ryu’s??? At the moment im considering about getting into JSA but just a little confuse about the many ryu’s and what’s legit and what’s not etc..... There’s a dojo about 30min from my place but I’m not too sure about which lineage of JSA ryu they’re teaching??....please help this newbie and oh I’m from Sydney OZ. www.kokororyu.com/P;S Sorry If I offended anyone from the dojo, it wasn’t my intention...... ;D Thank you everyone...... This schools credetials do seem a bit 'try hardie'. Anyone who mixes martial arts is not teaching a traditional art, and they seem very eager to dazzle with banners, symbols and unknown gradings. Koryu is traditional learning, I can guarantee you the above link is NOT koryu. My school is non-profit and we are taught using kata.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 9:17:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 9:30:17 GMT
Hi ChopChop,
Thank you for the invite and link .......i'll look into it asap!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 9:41:15 GMT
Oh there is also another dojo which is a lil further away from me “within an hour drive”...i think its nakamura ryu if memory serves.....here’s the link www.japaneseswordsmanship.com.au/nakamura2.htmlPlease any thoughts and opinions will be much appreciated... I would recommend this school. It is probably the main Iai school in the Sydney region and they also teach tameshigiri. It is not a complete school of learning though i.e mainly long/short sword with no other weapons. This particular school was developed before WWII to train military men without prior sword knowledge, how to use katana. Whilst still being Japanese it is not one of the older schools, but still very reputable.
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Post by slav on Jan 15, 2008 17:46:26 GMT
There's tons of material on Iaido and Kenjutsu around (including things like Wikipedia) where you can learn the major and subtle differences.
But basically, Kenjutsu is the art of traditional JSA fighting form as performed in kata (choreographed routine), often meant to be practiced with two people as in a swordfight, and usually using bokken (wooden sword).
Iaido is the traditional JSA art of drawing the sword, making specific quick cuts, and returning the sword to saya; in a precise series of motions also performed as kata, but using Iaito (unsharpened sword).
Additionally, Kendo is a sport-based (like fencing) evolution of JSA that involves actual physical sparring and hitting using Bamboo swords and wearing soft armor. [and is wicked fun!]
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2008 0:55:44 GMT
Oh there is also another dojo which is a lil further away from me “within an hour drive”...i think its nakamura ryu if memory serves.....here’s the link www.japaneseswordsmanship.com.au/nakamura2.htmlPlease any thoughts and opinions will be much appreciated... I would recommend this school. It is probably the main Iai school in the Sydney region and they also teach tameshigiri. It is not a complete school of learning though i.e mainly long/short sword with no other weapons. This particular school was developed before WWII to train military men without prior sword knowledge, how to use katana. Whilst still being Japanese it is not one of the older schools, but still very reputable. Probably no short sword at all, but since their "lessons learned" in this school are very recent (WWII), you'll have a lot of realistic, "practical" knowledge.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2008 6:37:50 GMT
Are you implying that a system that teaches only sword is not complete? There are hundreds of ryu that teach only sword.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2008 9:03:10 GMT
Are you implying that a system that teaches only sword is not complete? There are hundreds of ryu that teach only sword. Sorry Adam I forgot you did toyama. It is 'complete' in its sword instruction, however many koryu teach a variety of weapons as 'a school in a school' of learning. It made sense in the hostility of day's-gone-bye, to learn many weapons skills if they were ever to be used, or a situation would arise. As like they teach you a variety of subjects in school, these weapons would normally accompany each other i.e jitte and tessan, but their learning is its own ryu. My schools name is Shinto muso ryu. While this is the schools name, it also defines our training in Jo. Our training in Ken, is defined under Shinto ryu kenjutsu. Kusarigama, is Isshin-ryû kusarigamajutsu. Jitte and tessan is Ikkakû-ryû juttejutsu. Tanjo is Uchida-ryû tanjôjutsu. And Ittatsu-ryû hojôjutsu, for rope-tied restraints. To be 'complete', I find that a system is not reliant on one particular weapon but can encompass many.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2008 18:37:26 GMT
Shinto ryu also teaches sojutsu (spear) and jujutsu (unarmed), just as a classical samurai would have trained. Very good school for that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2008 21:20:00 GMT
Shinto ryu also teaches sojutsu (spear) and jujutsu (unarmed), just as a classical samurai would have trained. Very good school for that. Hey kortoso . we do learn a little sojutsu and it's quite interesting how similar the kata and movements are to some Jo kata. Just like an extension (excuse the pun ;D).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2008 3:47:43 GMT
Really, all martial arts are grounded in the same principles and lead to the same development of human beings - some teach it through the use of the body alone, others with a particular weapon, others still with many different weapons. This does not mean that any are necessarily more complete than the others merely by virtue of the repertoire of varying weapons within them. The catalog of codified techniques within any system is merely the expression of this understanding by the particular individual who organized it.
You yourself seem to have stumbled on this, as expressed by this:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2008 18:15:19 GMT
Videos I have seen of yari/sojutsu all seem to be keeping the point on line. Maybe I am mistaken. I thought there would be some sweeping movements to clear the opponent's spear.
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