LeMal
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Post by LeMal on Sept 15, 2011 20:52:02 GMT
Mentioned this on the old forum a couple years or more ago, but just wanted to revisit it. (Probably inspired by Windlass's tempting new Atlantean--yet I'll probably pass on it since I struggle w/ justifying the purchase of an 8-pound sword. :roll: ) Could the "Atlantean" still look almost identical to its movie design and still be of a functional? I think so. Point A--the obvious one--is start with stock of the proper thickness and have full distal taper. No surprise there; there are makers on this forum who've done that, or a variation of that. Not quite to the weight-reduction I'd like to see, but close. The big sticking point, though, is the presumption of the hilting components being of cast solid bronze. But just go with me on this: what if we say they aren't? What if the sword is done with a whole, one-piece, organic hilt. Carved wood, with a "bronze leaf" finish? I really think an "Atleantean" could come in at under four pounds this way--and "Ah-nald's" Conan not so stretching in the credulity department. (Oh, and to reiterate another idea: Conan's father's sword was cast rather than forged because it's NOT steel. It's a grey-looking bronze. That's why it's weaker and broken by the Atlantean; it's why they held steel in regard--because despite revering steel they didn't actually know how to forge it; and it's why Thulsa Doom was disappointed in it when searching for true steel. Yeah, a stretch, but it works. Just sayin'. )
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Post by Elheru Aran on Sept 15, 2011 21:29:34 GMT
Problem with this one: How do you propose to make the sword balance correctly? Wood is pretty light compared to steel or bronze.
If you want lighter fittings, I would suggest perhaps copper or zinc alloy?
I'm looking into making a wood replica of the Atlantean myself, so this is something I'm interested in right now...
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LeMal
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Post by LeMal on Sept 15, 2011 22:10:56 GMT
Actually, you don't. I'm the wrong person to put the question to. Not because I can't answer it, but because--contrary to a lot of people on sword forums (but based on three decades of empirical testing)--I don't care. To be more specific, I've rehilted at least two dozen swords over the past 28 years that were Euro-w/pommel designs to be all organic hilts. Moving the balance points (and yes, the supposedly sacrosanct nodes) a bit in the process. Then I test-cut exhaustively with them, including and especially meat and bone. What I found was there wasn't a whit of difference if the hilt was secured correctly in a way to handle the stresses. Sorry, I know that can be kind of blasphemy around here, but it's true. As for handling, I've also learned not to care over the years. I consider "sword" to be part of a larger continuum of "weapon." Included in that comes the following oft-neglected query: If I'm comfortable training to use an axe that has a balance point out beyond twenty inches, and I'm training to use a sword that has one at four inches, why would there be a "magic range" in between where the weapon becomes useless? From a human performance standpoint, the answer is: there isn't. Now, I may have to work not to psyche myself out and think too far of "it looks like this kind of sword ergo it should handle in such-and-such a way." But use should be based on feeling and haptic sensitivity--NOT preconceptions. (Score one for the probable core of truth in the Zatoichi-style myths' appeal!) As for the Atlantean on the original Conan movie, a lot of his moves with the sword do seem more on the "axe" handling side of things anyway!
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Post by joeydac on Sept 17, 2011 14:14:51 GMT
what about aluminium for the fittings with a bronze coating that would drop the weight and you still get the balance
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Post by brotherbanzai on Sept 19, 2011 13:51:25 GMT
You don't use a sword the same way you use an axe.
The way swords are used in movies isn't generally how swords are used.
Swords are meant to do more than hack through static targets. A sword that has a guard which wouldn't hold up to use against another sword and doesn't handle well enough to use against an opponent with a well balanced sword is no more "functional" than an 8 pound sword is.
If your idea of 'functional" is just "it cuts" then sure, you can do whatever you like and have a functional sword. You can make the guard and pommel out of cast plastic or resin as they did for the second Conan movie fight scenes. You could make the blade aluminum, that would hold an edge for a little while.
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