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Dec 9, 2007 2:35:51 GMT
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Just went to a special Ni-to seminar today and learned how to use 2 swords at once. It was very interesting wondering if anyone else has ever recieved any training about Ni-to
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Dec 9, 2007 7:19:41 GMT
Post by slav on Dec 9, 2007 7:19:41 GMT
No, but I have always wanted to. Was the seminar for kendo or kenjutsu?
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Dec 9, 2007 18:54:05 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2007 18:54:05 GMT
No, but I have always wanted to. Was the seminar for kendo or kenjutsu? It was for kenjutsu, they had us using a full length katana and a smaller tanto sized one. If you can find anyone doing a seminar i'd highly recommend it.
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Dec 9, 2007 22:36:55 GMT
Post by slav on Dec 9, 2007 22:36:55 GMT
I have actually only seen Ni-to being practiced in the Miyamoto Musashi Dojo in Ohara, Japan. (town of Musashi's birth).
Where was this seminar?
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Dec 10, 2007 6:58:28 GMT
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Dec 10, 2007 14:24:24 GMT
Post by slav on Dec 10, 2007 14:24:24 GMT
Yeah, same thing. Niten Ichi Ryu ("two heavens, one style") was developed by Musashi, and is his double sword style. Ni-to simply means "two swords", and refers to a general evolution of Niten-ichi.
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Dec 11, 2007 8:29:53 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2007 8:29:53 GMT
Yeah, same thing. Niten Ichi Ryu ("two heavens, one style") was developed by Musashi, and is his double sword style. Ni-to simply means "two swords", and refers to a general evolution of Niten-ichi. One of the reasons I started my current training in Shinto muso ryu Jodo, was watching one of my sempais disarm a two-sworded attacker with a Jo with little effort. I was later informed that it was one of three possible kata Muso Gonnosuke Katsuyoshi developed to defeat Miyamoto Musashi (as I was told), of which he infamously did. Trust me, if you have a swordsman with both swords drawn coming at you and all you have is a four foot staff, you'd wanna know your stuff !
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Dec 11, 2007 11:31:48 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2007 11:31:48 GMT
All you have?! After watching some of the Shinto muso ryu vids on youtube I'm starting to understand why the jo is the favourite weapon of a (much better trained) friend.
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Dec 12, 2007 9:41:36 GMT
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All you have?! After watching some of the Shinto muso ryu vids on youtube I'm starting to understand why the jo is the favourite weapon of a (much better trained) friend. The Jo is utilized at both ends giving it an advantage, and is also quicker to draw than a sheathed sword. Although knowing how to manipulate it correctly is the true advantage. If given the choice in a duel, I would pick the Jo any day.
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Dec 28, 2007 19:26:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 19:26:39 GMT
chopchop, u intrigued me w/ the musashi duel, specially since musashi fought a famous duel w/ a bokken he carved f/ the boat oar, and made a few deliberate inches longer than what he knew his opponent had at the destination. (he even timed his arrival w/ the tide, so as to escape by boat the anticipated retaliation of his opponent's friends. (maybe he was anticipatin that they'd resent a longer stick! lol.) in any event, "The claim that Musashi was ever defeated by Gonnosuke is still a matter for debate and is generally treated very skeptically." that's f/ wikipedia, whose treatment of the "two" duels is very interestin. specially the version of events that says musashi was, in the 1st duel, demonstratin the natural superiority of bein w/i 28" of yer opponent rather than 4 feet. anywhere i can read more?
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Dec 29, 2007 4:33:53 GMT
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I know it's Korean but shows 2 sword cutting from about 2 mins in. All in all pretty interesting clip.
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Dec 29, 2007 6:12:37 GMT
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chopchop, u intrigued me w/ the musashi duel, specially since musashi fought a famous duel w/ a bokken he carved f/ the boat oar, and made a few deliberate inches longer than what he knew his opponent had at the destination. (he even timed his arrival w/ the tide, so as to escape by boat the anticipated retaliation of his opponent's friends. (maybe he was anticipatin that they'd resent a longer stick! lol.) in any event, "The claim that Musashi was ever defeated by Gonnosuke is still a matter for debate and is generally treated very skeptically." that's f/ wikipedia, whose treatment of the "two" duels is very interestin. specially the version of events that says musashi was, in the 1st duel, demonstratin the natural superiority of bein w/i 28" of yer opponent rather than 4 feet. I totally agree laowho, who knows what happened all those years ago ? The people are all dead so we will never know for sure mate. I would never place one swordsman over another, however I find it very interesting how many know the tale to Gonnosuke's advantage. anywhere i can read more? koryu.com/library/wmuromoto1.html
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Dec 29, 2007 13:59:08 GMT
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thx chopchop, i spent the day (yesterday) watchin different Shinto Muso on youtube. really beautiful, especially the much older clips, wh/ always give the impression of insects doin battle. funny, but i've always sorta wanted musashi 2 lose since i learned of him, just 4 completeness or sum other silly notion. then he'd go 2 a cave, come out reborn, etc., etc, (the old dna doesn't fall far f/ our evolutionary tree?). when i learned he'd spent his whole life this way, well...if he went 2 a cave, it'd be 2 die, wh/ i guess is what happened, and f/ whence he wrote a book or 2, at a ripe old age.
the link u posted has more personal detail about the 1st duel than others i've read, wh/ adds a lot 2 the account, but wasn't recorded til 16 years later? remarkable. Muso was a strappin 6 feet, liked 2 boast, had an entourage, and needed only 39 days 2 get enlightenment. i see him as a generous, good natured brute who may have been Musashi's only friend. Muso legend in some places has Muso besting Musashi the 2d time, and the 2 of them goin off together as buds, (but w/ Musashi bein the side-kick...perfect! lol).
in any event, i never knew of Muso til now, and i'll never be able 2 think of Musashi w/o his friend Muso. a stick and a sword. karma 4 u.
p.s. any info on why Musashi adopted kids on his travels so regularly? was it b/c he'd slain their fathers?
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Dec 30, 2007 5:51:14 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2007 5:51:14 GMT
p.s. any info on why Musashi adopted kids on his travels so regularly? was it b/c he'd slain their fathers? There was a high tradition almongst samurai to at some point in there lives, take an 'apprentice' on . Some were true talent nurtured and some were just workhorses. As opposed to joining a swordschool which required great funds on the students behalf the ' apprenticeship' style of learning was usually unpaid, was mostly one-on-one, but also required being an attendent to the samurai as well in return for training. This is where I believe Musashi's 'kids' lie, they were maybe orphans or as you said 'newly-formed' orphans he took into his care as future apprentice swordsmen or just out of compassion maybe. Anyway, a few more links with things to read ? IYI www.hyoho.com/Hyoho1.htmlwww.koryu.com/library/titles.htmlpark8.wakwak.com/~enjoy/english.htm...bit o' a strange mix.
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Dec 31, 2007 23:35:15 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2007 23:35:15 GMT
Very helpful. The 2d link is pretty exhaustive, and is where the 7-mat-room story came from, and it was Gonnosuke/Musashi after all. lol
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Dec 31, 2007 23:54:27 GMT
Post by slav on Dec 31, 2007 23:54:27 GMT
Read "Musashi" by Eiji Yoshikawa, if you have not done so already. It is a semi-fictional account of Musashi's life as a swordsman, and a very enjoyable and informative read. One of my all time favorite novels.
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Jan 5, 2008 16:36:50 GMT
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Thanks slavia. I'm ordering it today. Karma for you.
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