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Post by jeimuzu on Aug 25, 2011 21:03:03 GMT
Well this will be my first pistol but its a Glock 23. Originally I was gonna go with the 22 BUT it would take 2 weeks for them to order it ( Im getting Law Enforcement discount which saves me alot of money) and once I held the 23, It just felt so comfortable in my hands. All together Im spending $420 with tax for the pistol and 3 mags. Its too hard to pass up! Once I get it, Im going to the range ( My back yard....hurray for living out in the country and no near you for a mile) and shooting it until I get the feel for her. So excited!
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Post by EJP on Aug 25, 2011 22:13:02 GMT
I have the G17 because it fits my hand better and 9mm is way more common in Europe but I very often eyed the medium sized .40s whenever I saw one. Glock makes damn fine guns. Never ever had a failure of any kind with mine and its accuracy is way better than my shooting skills.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2011 22:30:35 GMT
My buddy has one and I shot it at the range. It was very accurate. It was a hot day outside, and after about 100 or 200 rounds the plastic handle felt squishy and softer. :shock: That's what Glocks do though. But it was much more accurate than the Sig 226 9mm we were shooting also. Glock is a Very nice pistol. My only complaint, is that the .40 s&w made fat on my body shake where I didn't know I had any fat! And the pistol torqued to the left IDK from the rifleing or the ejection, but it kept twisting ... I highly recommend a .357 sig barrel drop in for it to make it worth the extra recoil!!!: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.357_SIG Anyway congrats!
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Post by jeimuzu on Aug 25, 2011 22:35:28 GMT
That is a crap round. Actually whats surprising is that the .40 S&W has more snappy recoil than a .45 ACP does. If I was to buy a drop in barrel, it would be a 9mm for sure. But Im very happy with the .40 SW and Id go with a .45 next instead of a 9mm. To me a 9mm is not enough. I want to make sure if I have to use it, that that person is gonna feel it.
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Post by EJP on Aug 26, 2011 1:14:57 GMT
You are right handed and the shots were not only left but also a little low? That torque to the left (the low left most often) is a very well known problem with glocks, or more accurately: new glock users. The way the glock trigger is set up (with no real breaking point) it makes the gun VERY sensitive to anticipating recoil. A possible solution: Just mix in some dummy rounds in your magazines (without you knowing exactly when they will be chambered) and watch your front sight. If you do jerk the gun down you have identified the problem. I reccommend lots of dry firing. Its free, does not hurt the gun (applies to glocks at least) and vastly improves your scores.
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Post by Onimusha on Aug 26, 2011 2:24:59 GMT
The only pistols that are affected by dry-firing are those that have the firing pin on the hammer (Old model S&W, Colt peacemaker copies, etc.). I'm not really a Glock fan. I've shot them in 9mm, .40, and .45ACP. The 9mm was accurate, the .45 was ...ok, the .40's wouldn't hold a good grouping. The polymer frames really weren't meant to take the sharp recoil of the .40. They claim to have fixed the problem in their Gen 3.5 and 4 guns with the dual recoil springs. I'm not a real fan of the .40 S&W anyway. The cartridge was intended to give you the knockdown of the .45ACP with less recoil. It fails miserably on both counts. However, it still beats the heck out of the 9mm.
EJP, where do you live? I thought that hi-cap guns were pretty much illegal in Europe. I know that any handgun over .22 cal is illegal in the UK, unless it's a specialized target gun.
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Post by Talon on Aug 26, 2011 5:08:52 GMT
im afraid even the .22 is illegal in the uk
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2011 15:06:18 GMT
(I was trying to reply yesterday, but got bumped offline)... I'd hate to be shot with either. Course it would s*ck to be hit by a whimpy .380 acp too IMO. I prefer the .357 sig over the .40 s&w for the flat trajectory ,longer range, and the fact that at around 1400 FPS the round causes "cavitation" or becomes a "High energy projectile" ...that's according to the book titled "First Responders" a first aid guide for law-enforcement, and paramedics as well. They name the .22 LR actually and the .44 mag as being bottom level "high energy projectiles" due to velocity. In (gruesome) other words, bone, flesh, and whatever matter impacted move the same direction as the bullet becoming smaller projectiles right along with the bullet! Below 1000 FPS most hollow points or whatever design do not "mushroom" Yet the law enforcement agencies (Link above) Reported through and though wounds yet without over-penetration using the .357 sig,(most cases the round exited but was stopped in the back layer of clothing) as well as Hydro-static shock which can drop an assailant uncontious when impacting an artery for example. On the "torque" to the left issue, it did not affect accuracy, only follow up shots which I'd like to mention: In combat the thing HIGHLY underestimated IMO is the ability to hit MOVING targets../.NON-STATIONARY, This for me is why I prefer the 9mm Parabellum round due to it's non-existat recoil IMO. I'm trim, athletic, 6 ft., 190 lb.s myself, but I've found recoil to be recoil despite practice. Perhaps with practice it changes for some. I wanted to post a vid off Youtube of some full-auto /select fire Glocks but I'm out of time for now.
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Post by Neil G. on Aug 26, 2011 15:46:03 GMT
I had a Glock 21C that I really liked - .45ACP, 13+1 on a double stack magazine and compensated barrel (vents out the top in a V-shape). It was really controllable for a .45 and I never had a problem with it. I could see though were night firing with it might be a problem and so I'd probably switch to something else if I was in Law Enforcement... The biggest muzzle flash/blast I've ever seen on a pistol though was on my buddy's FiveSeveN. We fired it at an indoor gun range and it was far and away the loudest of all of the handguns on the range that day...
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Post by GUEST on Aug 26, 2011 16:01:54 GMT
There was no way a Glock grip will get squishy and softer it would have to be hot enough to cook you. I have fired hundreds of rounds through Glocks on 100 plus days the frame always feels the same. competition shooters wouldn't use them if the grip would soft up during firing.
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Post by Onimusha on Aug 26, 2011 21:31:23 GMT
Just remember, a 9mm hollow point may or may not expand, but a .45 hardball will never shrink.
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Post by jeimuzu on Aug 26, 2011 22:24:33 GMT
Well I have to hand it, I love it. This is my first pistol and while the recoil is abit more than I thought, I think more time with her will give me a better edge with her. Anyways, I can see what you mean about the grouping. I can still hit the man size target with no problem but its not the grouping I want. It could just be me though. So Once I get more money and time, Im hitting the Range!
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Post by Onimusha on Aug 26, 2011 22:34:13 GMT
What generation did you get?
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Post by jeimuzu on Aug 26, 2011 22:52:57 GMT
3rd...they didnt have a 4th Gen or I wouldve gotten that.
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Post by Onimusha on Aug 27, 2011 19:07:59 GMT
Must be old stock. They discontinued the gen 3. The gen 3.5 has the gen 4 spring, but not the grip inserts.
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Post by jeimuzu on Aug 28, 2011 4:13:02 GMT
Nope, she was made 08/02/11. Gen 3.5 is the ones with the same texture as Gen 4 I believe. Gen 3.5 has the same recoil spring as a gen 3. I wished I could put the Gen 4 recoil spring in mine though.
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Post by Onimusha on Aug 28, 2011 4:15:38 GMT
The .40 I shot was Gen 2. What kind of groups are you getting?
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Post by jeimuzu on Aug 28, 2011 4:45:34 GMT
HA HA HA well lets just say I had 5 shots in one inch groupings but most of them were not in the same area. Im not use to the recoil nor the muzzle flip yet. working on changing my grip and see what I can do to ge tthat muzzle flip down to something more managable. Im using Winchester .40 S&W FMJ 165 Grain. Once I get use to her, I will post a picture of my groupings. Ive found one thing I dont like about it....but its somehting I can change once I get some more money.
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Post by Larry Jordan on Aug 28, 2011 5:17:16 GMT
I would suggest taking a beginning defensive pistol class like one described here: Tac Train Pistol CourseYou surely have some local training organizations there in Ohio. Some indoor shooting ranges have their own training staff. Many outdoor ranges have numerous training organizations using their facilities. Hope you find a good school.
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Post by jeimuzu on Aug 28, 2011 6:18:34 GMT
Ill be taking my OPOTA classes sometime this september so that covers that ^_^. What the problem is for me is I cant get a good grip on the pistol. Im use to the 1911 style feel. However, Im still trying different styles of grips on the glock to get it better. She only has 4 mags through her so she is still a virgin. I think however the spring is abit strong. Gonna be ordering a tugsten guide rod, a new trigger housing to take care of the slack in the trigger ( Hate the trigger), the Beavertail for a glock, and a hogue grip. This should make the pistol much better I think.
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