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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2007 0:22:56 GMT
Before any further bashing of those guys in that video occurs, I think it's important to note that none of them had very much any previous experience with shinken, nor were any of them trained to use shinken for cutting.
In the description it even says they were black belts in arts like Aikido, Karatedo, and Kenjustsu.
Karate may teach 'kobudo', but that's hardly an art(from what I've seen) that teaches historical japanese swordsmanship. As for Aikido, they've only ever trained with Aikibokken, if they've trained in weapons at all(many do not), and in the aikido weapons system, the bokken is not a simulator for a sword, but rather a weapon in its own right, so the technique has changed over time to reflect that and doesn't translate back perfectly.
The kenjutsu guys have no excuse though.
And when you cut, regardless of left to right or right to left(hidari and migi kesa giri respectively - you had them backwards) BOTH of your wrists should rotate into a position almost on top of the sword, behind it. This is accomplished with a feeling similar to wringing out a towel, and is referred to by the term 'ten-uchi'.
Granted the arms will be in a different position for different cuts, it is important that the grip and the dynamic of motion be maintained.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2007 0:37:25 GMT
Food for thought. Practice makes perfect. Amen to that brother ! and loads of it ! ;D Is that you in the last photo, redsamurai ? If so, do you practice a Japanese sword art mate ?
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Post by redsamurai on Jul 20, 2007 6:40:57 GMT
adam, aikido you say ...hmm, i should really stop ignoring the waffle at the start of youtube videos! pity about the Aikibokken training tho, if they've been expected to perform Tameshigiri after it. i tried to do my research here, but none of the websites made a clear distinction between whether they meant a right/left starting position, or a right/left swinging direction. if i got it wrong, then thanks for the correction! as for right wrist rotating, i'd have to claim it's not a motion i've yet encountered in my cutting (and my start & finish positions look the same as chopchop's). any 'twisting' sensation i do feel on the grip, i believe comes as a by-product of my right elbow locking out. by "rotating foward", i meant the same action that your wrist does when you give a 'Thumbs Up!' chopchop, no sir. im just a backyard cutter like many of us here ;D although i do have a keen interest in katanas and shirasayas. and i like to read up on related topics, and share some of my personal observations.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2007 6:57:08 GMT
Your grip should not have to alter or change with different cuts. Arms relaxed, grip firm, mind focused.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2007 21:51:03 GMT
adam, aikido you say ...hmm, i should really stop ignoring the waffle at the start of youtube videos! pity about the Aikibokken training tho, if they've been expected to perform Tameshigiri after it. i tried to do my research here, but none of the websites made a clear distinction between whether they meant a right/left starting position, or a right/left swinging direction. if i got it wrong, then thanks for the correction! A left or "hidari" kesagiri means that you end the cut with your sword on your left, and a right or "migi" kesagiri means that you end the cut with your sword on your right. Next time Power-sensei comes to class, I'm going to volunteer to fix up his site.
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Post by redsamurai on Jul 21, 2007 0:10:33 GMT
Ahhh see, now you've gone and taught me something.
I'm going to exact my digital revenge by giving you +1 K. Take that!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2007 1:01:34 GMT
I'm getting a feeling that this is not the right way to cut tatami...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2007 9:26:17 GMT
I'm getting a feeling that this is not the right way to cut tatami... Tatami looks a bit dry. The way it is shot it looks like he is scared of his parents walking in on him or something. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2007 12:44:19 GMT
yep, its dry, in fact it looks like mugen dachi tatami to me. You can also tell by the sound. Certainly more difficult to do well. Needs to work on his noto though
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Post by redsamurai on Jul 23, 2007 22:22:35 GMT
really? i didn't see anything wrong with that video.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2007 4:49:45 GMT
really? i didn't see anything wrong with that video. Nothing really wrong with cutting dry tatami, I think it may be a little scratchy-er on the blade though. However, soaking it is what gives it the distinct density and nice zip when you make a cut.
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Post by tajima on Jul 25, 2007 8:47:04 GMT
Hmm. Anyone that says:
First Person: I do karate. I could smash you with a katana. Second Person: Haven't you ever heard of Iaido? First Person: Pffft...Iaido isn't swords. It's one of them made up arts, like Ju-jutsu.
That was a conversation I actually had, me being the second person... But I must admit Kobudo is no Iaido - in that it is just katana. In fact, we have to proper Katana kata - we have three, one of which is called "8-cut". They are all short and whenever I compete in NAS (National All Styles) I make my own kata, usually 20 or so cuts long.
Kobudo focuses more on Tonfa, Manji Sai, Bo, Eku, Kama etc. The thing about Kobudo it is the art taught to those in a period in Okinawa in which katanas were banned, and citizens were forced to use secret weapons or disguised blades. Ta!
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