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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2007 23:37:06 GMT
Now have no experience with cutting tatami mats, every vid i see on youtube theres experts and masters who make it look soo easy, but i wonder, is it difficult to cut tatami rolls?
these guys seem to have abit of problem with it.
theyre sopposedly black belts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2007 1:38:34 GMT
Not if you're TRAINED properly by a skilled practitioner.
A black belt does not mean shite mate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2007 1:42:56 GMT
One thing I noticed in that video was lack of follow through. Do not stop cutting once the katana contacts with the target. The contact with the tatami is not the goal of the cut. The goal the end rest posistion of the blade for the particular kata or cut.
As chopchop said proper training is key above all.
Dan
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2007 4:24:02 GMT
After watching that I suddenly feel a lot better about myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2007 20:25:59 GMT
In iaido you don't wear colored belts to display rank. There's no way to tell by looking, although the quality of the cuts and the kind of cuts that they attempt is a good clue.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2007 20:32:11 GMT
Like voyager said their was no follow through, and no heart in a lot of those cuts. Most of the cuts seemed like they were just going through the motions.
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Post by tajima on Jun 22, 2007 5:19:47 GMT
I bought some straw mats about 8cm thick (Not sure if radius or diamater, umm...the full length from side to side) and was wondering if you think my Wind katana could take them on. Exactly what density am I up against?
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Post by jw on Jun 22, 2007 19:18:06 GMT
After watching that I suddenly feel a lot better about myself. Copy mate, same here!
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Post by jw on Jun 22, 2007 19:19:43 GMT
I bought some straw mats about 8cm thick (Not sure if radius or diamater, umm...the full length from side to side) and was wondering if you think my Wind katana could take them on. Exactly what density am I up against? No problem, did a triple beach mat with the Wind Dragon, just don't cut thick unsupported cardboard tubing, it will bend. The handle assembly will loosen after a few cuts through the mat though... Single mats are the toughest and a good stand is as important as good form, from the vid you can see the stands fall easy...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2007 19:24:53 GMT
They were also bonking those stands pretty damn hard. I'm sure the stands were plenty fine.
I'll have to find it, but there's this youtube video of this Korean Kumdo guy competing in a tameshigiri competition.
On several of his cuts, the mat above the cut stayed where it was balanced on the bottom part that was fastened to the stand... his form was so good that the thing as a whole didn't even move.
Not to mention that guys can cut unsupported tatami and even things like apples or an EGG. A freaking chicken egg! Free sitting on top of a mat.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2007 20:16:20 GMT
On several of his cuts, the mat above the cut stayed where it was balanced on the bottom part that was fastened to the stand... his form was so good that the thing as a whole didn't even move. Not to mention that guys can cut unsupported tatami and even things like apples or an EGG. A freaking chicken egg! Free sitting on top of a mat. now thats skill! These cuts are not so bad either: best tameshigiri i've ever seen!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2007 21:07:25 GMT
i found these too:
really worth watching
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2007 22:40:52 GMT
This one's got them all beat. James Williams just foolin' around in the backyard:
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Post by tajima on Jun 22, 2007 22:41:37 GMT
"The handle assembly will loosen after a few cuts through the mat though..." Mine is the $179 Wind Katana, not $79 Wind Dragon =)
And how hard is bamboo to cut?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2007 0:19:30 GMT
Bamboo is a pain in the butt to cut. By which I mean it's pretty tough. FAR tougher than just tatami, which is literally like butter in comparison.
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Post by jw on Jun 23, 2007 0:48:23 GMT
"The handle assembly will loosen after a few cuts through the mat though..." Mine is the $179 Wind Katana, not $79 Wind Dragon =) And how hard is bamboo to cut? Good!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2007 1:19:57 GMT
This was already linked to... but here it is again. This guy is DAMN good.
And some others:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2007 23:45:19 GMT
when you posted that video of the egg, it reminded me of this one: cool!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2007 13:04:34 GMT
as far as i can tell from the first movie those guys use there sword well as a sword not as an extension of their body the speed and strenght of the sword doesn't flow with the body in my opinion it's the same as handling a baseball bat the rest of the movies thumbs up
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Post by redsamurai on Jul 19, 2007 16:57:37 GMT
that first video was truely AWFUL! i agree with voyager423, most of those guys lacked any intentional follow-through (your cutting style with the shinken is supposed to reflect your training style with the bokken. if that is the style they've learnt with the bokken - then it's not somewhere i'd want to train). although i might add that on second viewing most of these misses were Migi Kesa Giri attempts - diagonally downward from left to right (chopchop might be able to correct me here if my phrasing is incorrect) - but quite a bit harder movement for a right-hander! my feeling on this has alot to do with the shape of the tsuka and its function in providing a secondary tactile feedback as to the angle on the blade (the primary tactile feedback being the plane of motion the blade is travelling in). imagine for a moment, holding a wooden ruler as you would hold a tsuka - although impractical as a sword handle, it would provide an enormous amount of information as to the direction the blade was travelling in. it would after all be perfectly aligned with it - now in contrast, a tsuka has a fairly narrow oval shape to it, quite similar, although it has the additional feature of being able to fill in the gaps in your grip that the ruler cannot. what is the use of me pointing out this tactile response? well, being generally right-handed a swordsman gets used to the feeling of being able to confidently execute a normal Hidari Kesa Giri (cutting diagonally right to left). but the opposite striking action, left to right, introduces two important differences that affect the swordsmans ability to strike the target with the same degree of accuracy. firstly, the action is not a complete mirror image. you still have to hold the katana using the same grip! [photo credit - chopchop. nice form!] on a normal right-to-left cut: before the strike the left wrist (above) has some forward rotation on it already, just as a natural action of gripping the end of the tsuka. [photo credit - chopchop] by the end of the cut the right arm extends down thru the target (above), finishing with almost no forward rotation on the right wrist. i.e. on a right-to-left diagonal cut - the left wrist does the pivoting.however, on a left-to-right strike, your hands are on the opposite side of your body. it this position, the right wrist must now rotate forward as a result of having to grip the tsuka whilst reaching around your head! this puts the left wrist in the more natural position now. i.e. on a left-to-right diagonal cut: the right wrist does the pivoting through the cut.secondly, on top of all of this, note (pic) how the right-hand crossed over during the cut. this crossing-over action makes it much more difficult to for your brain to make sense of the tactile information its receiving about the path the blade is taking through the air, and about the angle at which the blade is about to strike the target. Food for thought. Practice makes perfect.
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