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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2007 16:23:04 GMT
One of their standard tools is a steel claw that was used for assistance in climbing, if they happen to be wearing these and are attacked by a guard using a vertical cut, then again if they are lucky etc, the sword can be trapped in the claws and the blade broken by a quick twist of the wrists. I dont think its "that easy" to break a blade by hand, if any1 have a $100 bucks spare, please show me a vid of you breaking a blade with your bare hands (hand protection is allowed )
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Post by rammstein on Jul 18, 2007 16:44:27 GMT
I've tried to break my stainless steel rapier but to no avail...
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Post by grahamts on Jul 18, 2007 18:20:07 GMT
Don't shoot the messenger ;D It's not one of my style's techniques! There is no way we stand in the way of a blade! "First rule of JuJuts- Don't be there!"
I believe the claws are on a steel base which covers the palm, so you in theory break the sword with the steel. This would be similar in application to the Jutte/Jitte used by Japanese police in the 19th century for protection against the sword. Graham
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2007 19:19:55 GMT
I watched an episode of Mythbusters last night and they showed that arrow catching and sword catching were busted for the average human. What about catching bullets (in your teeth).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2007 3:16:09 GMT
Hey folks, the steel claws are called "shuko" and the real ones were made of an iron band with spikes connected to a metal (iron?)strap that covered the lower palm and inside of the wrist.The Bujinkan, Jinenkan and Genbukan i believe all practice "sword catching" as a part of muto dori. Although "" thats a bit of a misnomer. The idea is to survive whether that be to run away or use whatever means is necesary to live.i think it would be more of a case of suddenly being confronted by a swordsman and performing muto dori rather than something you would seek to do as it were. I dont think muto dori is any sillier than gun disarms-the alternative being cut/shot and probably killed. If only we had the luxury of choosing the arms of an attacker,eh?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2007 10:30:29 GMT
This would be similar in application to the Jutte/Jitte used by Japanese police in the 19th century for protection against the sword. though i know one can break a sword with a jitte, i dont think its easy to do it. also a jitte adds more leverage and therefore more power to break the blade. I dont think muso dori is any sillier than gun disarms-the alternative being cut/shot and probably killed. Neither do i, but it would be significantly easier to just twist the blade out of someones hands than to actually break it, i.e disarm them instead of destroying the weapon. When someone disarms an attacker holding a firearm, they don't really "break" the firearm... see where i'm going with this?
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Post by rammstein on Jul 19, 2007 11:26:00 GMT
We've had this argument before - My opinion is as follows:
I don't care how much leverage you have, the ability to break a sword is not in your strength but in the man holding the sword. No way in hell he could keep his wrist rigid enough to allow you to take advantage of your leverage. Nor would he let you. While you're messing around with your sword he draws a dagger and shoves it in your eye slits. Good job.
Typos~
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2007 12:07:30 GMT
We've had this argument before - My opinion is as follows: I don't care how much leverage you have, the ability to break a sword is not in your strength but in the man holding the sword. No way in hell he could keep his wrist rigid enough to allow you to take advantage of your leverage. Nor would he let you. While you're messing around with your sword he draws a dagger and shoves it in your eye slits. Good job. Typos~ I agree.
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Post by grahamts on Jul 19, 2007 14:21:58 GMT
I don't quite know where I stand in this argument On one hand many Aikido & JuJutsu techniques rely upon the attacker hanging on like grim death to their weapon! This ties in with the first argument that you could maybe snap the sword or much more likely remove the sword from the attacker. On the other hand I've learnt that to fight over a weapon is to allow the physically stronger person to dominate the exchange! Generally the aim is to stop the attacker hitting/stabbing you with the sharp pointy thing and then knocking seven kinds of hell out of them or breaking bits off them whilst controlling the weapon. Which if you reverse the roles, i.e. the one with the weapon is well trained, then the blade being held would lead to exactly the response that Rammstein gives. I would think there can be no definitive answer to the question Ultimately it depends on the psychology and training of the two parties involved. Thats me firmly sitting on the fence I would need to see a demonstration done at full speed to be convinced & I think that could be rather dodgy!!! Graham Just found this youtube video of Jutte usage, thought it might stir up som further comments ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2007 22:12:02 GMT
That vid was very interesting graham! karma for you!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2007 22:24:27 GMT
I found this, quite interesting actually.
Hojo Jutsu
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2007 4:13:16 GMT
I found this, quite interesting actually. Hojo Jutsu This art is also part of my koryu. I have seen it performed once. Quite hard to get out of, but if done quickly it is very effectual. Our school of technique is Ittatsu-ryû hojôjutsu.
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