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Post by Aaron W on Jul 27, 2011 20:17:54 GMT
I'm not exactly sure how two swords would help you "take back the advantage" if your opponent is a skilled dual knife fighter. This is especially true if you're inside a building. Also, when do you happen to carry your jo staff with you? In my mind, I'm trying to picture this realistically. The example I gave earlier about a bar is what I mean by this. I don't know many bars that are going to let you just walk in with your jo staff and have a couple of beers.
I think to avoid further confusion, the OP needs to specify where we need to be beating said dual knives. Or if it's a "you pick the time and place" kind of thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2011 20:30:55 GMT
because someone who knows how to handle two weapons at once would understand that it would give him the capability to block and strike at the same time, negating my reach advantage. if I had two swords, I would maintain my previous advantage as he could not block and strike at the same time. and if you know how to use a jo, a few other things could stand in for it, like a cane or even a pool stick if you were desperate.
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Post by Mr.Wallace on Jul 27, 2011 22:31:37 GMT
I still want to know what type of knives this mystery assailant is using. A subhilt and a bowie? Two kukri? Two pocket knives? How much reach does he actually have? How are his blades being held? Are you in a tight space, or a field? Are back cuts a concern? It could just be me, but these are concerns that affect my reaction. Where these are sheathed and how could also be crucial. Trying to fumble around with two concealed blades could give you a window too end it right there.
One last thing I'll throw out here: Escrima sticks.
Or a concealed weapon permit and a 1911, if your a good shot and he isn't in your face all ready.
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Post by LittleJP on Jul 27, 2011 23:18:05 GMT
Molotov Cocktail, or a Lowlander Claymore.
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Post by 14thforsaken on Jul 27, 2011 23:28:40 GMT
Actually, I would prefer to get inside of them and turn it into a brawl. If you can get inside their reach whole worlds of opportunities open up. You're probably going to take a hit to get inside of them. Just pick your spot to be hit, I would suggest the outside of your arm as there no major blood vessels or nerves there, and close in.
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Post by Mr.Wallace on Jul 27, 2011 23:59:53 GMT
/thread. JP wins fair and square. :lol:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2011 0:17:49 GMT
dual wielding knives is the ONE time I would not want to get inside and take the fight to the ground. with one knife, controlling the weapon arm is relatively easy, with two, you're looking at a knife between the ribs. the only option you could possibly have would be to pin his arms to the ground and headbutt the crap out of him.
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Post by 14thforsaken on Jul 28, 2011 0:34:03 GMT
You have more than one option. I know several blows that can incapacitate or kill with one hit, especially if you have forward momentum. Unless the person is truly ambidextrous or very skilled, its unlikely they can hit you both blades as you close. In most the sparring or re-enactments I have seen, I rarely ever see anyone that actually knows how to dual wield knives. More often that not, they get in each others way and are far less effective than if they used one knife. My first thought if I saw someone try to attack with two knives is here's someone that's been watching too many martial arts movies and is clueless.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2011 0:42:53 GMT
eh, when I use two weapons at once, I tend to view the one in my non dominant hand as a defensive item with offensive capability, and use it to set up shots from my main hand. Like if your opponent goes for a downward strike, block with the left, gut with the right. vice versa if their attack is aimed at my dominant side, though obviously my riposte would be weaker due to it coming from my weaker arm. the trick seems to be alternating blows so your weapons don't get tangled up because of some unexpected parry or deflection by the opponent.
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Post by 14thforsaken on Jul 28, 2011 1:11:27 GMT
The tendency for people to use downwards blows is why I want to close. They might score on your back but its its more likely to hit your shoulder blade and skid which is not an incapacitating blow and once you're inside of them, that knife is useless. The way I was taught to handle that type of scenario is to use one arm to deflect the downwards blow up and over your shoulder and to grab the lower knife with your free hand. Then you have effective put the knife behind you out of play and you can take the fight down the ground with both of your hands inside of them and only one of their hands inside of you. At that point anything is kosher, biting gouging, whatever.
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Post by armchairwarrior on Aug 7, 2011 6:18:32 GMT
But seriously, RUN! If fighting is unavoidable, improvise. Wrap your jacket around your non-dominant arm and use it to block strikes you can't avoid while trying to stomp at the kneecaps. Grab any bludgeon that would give you an advantage in terms of reach, such as a pool cue or a broom/mop stick. Throw things at the face, anything to give you a chance to escape.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2011 7:39:11 GMT
This may seem like a bit of a strange answer, but the hardest person to stab is one lying on their back on the ground kicking at your kneecaps and groin.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Aug 7, 2011 8:03:30 GMT
It actually makes perfect sense when you think about it, really (to me, at least). To stab someone on the ground with a knife, you have to bend over or take a knee; not that easy when someone's aiming repeated kicks at your knees and groin.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2011 2:03:26 GMT
people have tried that during sparring sessions with me before. it's not that hard to close up. If I was dual wielding knives when someone tried it, I'd drop one, wait till they kicked, grab the foot they kicked with and move to the outside to move their arms out of the way and repeatedly stab with an ice pick grip.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2011 18:26:26 GMT
Which is precisely why they teach it at the max prison where I work. Either your opponent gets his legs broken, or he drops a knife. You've now got your opponent down to one knife (much more manageable) and there's another lying on the floor where you may be able to get at it.
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Post by RicWilly on Sept 18, 2011 19:10:27 GMT
Cell phone.
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Post by Sébastien on Sept 19, 2011 1:39:00 GMT
I'd use a shotgun or a revolver. Indiana Jones-style.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2011 2:39:12 GMT
It would work fine if the person dual wielding knives was untrained, but if he's had any training, fighting someone on their back is extremely easy. another thing to do would be to keep the knives, wait till he kicks, and just cut his legs each time until he passes out from blood loss.
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Post by Derzis on Oct 9, 2011 0:57:55 GMT
911. Nothing beats the sound of a police car.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2011 23:56:16 GMT
Throw a shoe. While they are baffled as to why you threw a shoe, take your other off and run .40 is a beautiful remedy too
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