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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2011 1:28:20 GMT
Thanks everyone who offered their ideas and opinions regarding a good Bastard Sword. I am now looking for the best Greek sword for the buck. I absolutely adore the idea of holding a xiphos, like the Spartans would have had, see: www.kultofathena.com/product.asp ... n+Lakonian But then there is the Hoplite sword: www.kultofathena.com/product.asp ... lite+Sword I want a good sword to engage targets with, but I also want the sword to at least resemble the original design. So what do you think? Which sword should I go for? Or, perhaps there another design out there I missed? |
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Post by trelopoulos on Jul 16, 2011 23:54:06 GMT
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Post by buliwyf on Jul 19, 2011 14:31:27 GMT
Well I was beaten to it I was going to suggest Scorpion swords also.Although not historically accurate I bought the Achilles sword cause i really liked the movie.It's one of the best made swords I own and i would love another Greek style sword from him.Call him up and talk to him about a sword you like,he's a really nice guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2011 14:36:11 GMT
i would recommend scorpion swords as well, they are the best in short ancient blades, they even can make a custom one for about the same price as their production line.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2011 18:45:34 GMT
I agree with the others. You won't be sorry.
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Post by Joeandmich on Aug 10, 2011 11:10:37 GMT
Yeah but they are far from being attractive and too bulky. They really need to work on the hardware and scabbard department.
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Post by Ninjadave89 on Aug 10, 2011 11:20:31 GMT
I would love to get a historically accurate spartan sword (Lakonian) but I don't think anybody makes them, it was basically a serrated knife about 30cm long and weighed around 7 pounds :shock: There really aren't that many greek swords available which is a shame as they are one of my favorite types of swords. Windlass used to make a decent one but it has been long discontinued. Although you could go for a falcata, there's a few of them available.
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Post by Neil G. on Aug 10, 2011 14:24:43 GMT
I was always under the impression that the historical Lakonians were shorter, leaf bladed swords, similar in most regard to a Xiphos, but shorter and broader. I've never heard of a short, serrated sword before.
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Post by chrisperoni on Aug 10, 2011 15:17:07 GMT
These WIndlass ones are all a great deal- super cheap and functional. They meet the requirment of good bank for buck but are not terribly historically accurate. www.kultofathena.com/product.asp ... el+Falcata www.kultofathena.com/product.asp ... teel+Kopis www.kultofathena.com/product.asp ... el+Lakonia However, if you want to get more and of course are willingto pay more for it, and you don't like the aesthetics of Scorpion Swords, try Mr Tinker- the man makes a hell of a kopis and I bet he would like to make a xiphos or other leaf-esqe shape. More money I know, but a sword made by Tinker will be incredible and therefore meet the requirement b.f.b.  tinkerswords.com/forsale.htmltinkerswords.com/(sidenote- I've never heard of any serrated greek sword either. More info please  ) |
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Post by joeydac on Aug 10, 2011 15:22:37 GMT
i dont think i have ever seen a greek sword in that style he refers to there usually in the dolche leaf blade style or triangular short sword in shape as for the weight the sword would only be around two to three pounds as they fought in a phalanx and the sword would only come into play if the dory was broken and it was still only used for close quarter stabbing with the soldier remaining covered behind hid shield wall they have some very nice examples at higgens armory museum can you post a pic of the one you saw for a reference because 7 pounds is like that of a conan sword www.artsales.com/ARTistory/Ancie ... words.html |
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Post by chrisperoni on Aug 10, 2011 15:30:30 GMT
This falcata by Scorpion is sleek- no way is it bulky:  Beauty sword and more affordable that aTinker You are right that most of Scorpion Swords are kind of bulky - especially the guards and pommels. |
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Post by joeydac on Aug 10, 2011 15:30:41 GMT
Roman Wood Handled Dagger - 401392
Bone Hilt Gladiator Dolch - AH6251B
Brass Hilt Classic Hoplite Sword - 500734
Classic Hoplite Sword - 500734
Greek Kopis - 501207
Greek Xiphos Hoplite Sword - AH4214
Spartan Lakonian - 401178
Achilles Sword - SBK003
Spanish Falcata - 500062
all available at kult of athena
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Post by chrisperoni on Aug 10, 2011 15:41:56 GMT
He's knows about these swords- his first post liks to KOA. Question is which one is the best value in your opinion.
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Post by joeydac on Aug 10, 2011 15:46:05 GMT
oh ok sorry the spartan lakonian
he can also check out knightsedge rittersteel makes some nice bronze greek swords fairly accurate
but i know the spartan ric willy has and its a solid performer
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Post by chrisperoni on Aug 10, 2011 16:14:40 GMT
I like that one too a lot- have you ever handled it? That's the one where Ric poured oil all over his hand and cut with it, right? I haven't read much about RitterSteel- do you have any experience with their stuff? (can you tell I want one of these kind of sword too?  ) |
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Post by Mr.Wallace on Aug 10, 2011 16:37:11 GMT
It may seem odd, but outside of Scorpion Swords Himalayan Imports actually makes a mean Falcata. Its all hand forged, so for $300 its a real bargain. It might be heavier than these other offerings, dependin on the Kami that made it. I've been looking at greek swords myself, and this is likely the route I'll take.
Hope it helps
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Post by Ninjadave89 on Aug 10, 2011 16:56:15 GMT
Well im no expert on greek weapons but check this vid out, shows the super heavy short sword. Turns out it is about 50cm long and not 30 :? my mistake.(starts about 2.30 minutes in)
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Post by Ninjadave89 on Aug 10, 2011 17:23:58 GMT
Also im quite interested in this falcata made by a new sword maker in the UK. Its the best falcata i've ever seen by far, though the price is rather high (probably worth it though!). www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic ... 004#224004 |
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Post by William Swiger on Aug 10, 2011 17:37:46 GMT
That is a really nice one. Had the one by Gen2 but it was not to my liking and sold it. Kind of turned me off the falcata if they all handle about the same.
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Post by joeydac on Aug 11, 2011 1:17:27 GMT
ok i looked at the movie its a greek dolce sword with a bronze handle
most of the weight would befrom the bronze handle but no way would it be 7 pounds i have one very close to that style made from damascus with a wood and camel bone handle and its only like 2 pounds its quite agile id say my best cutter at close range the spartan lakonion is very close to the greek dolche
now regarding the serrated edges thats b/s most spartan swords were made from cast bronze and were mass produced i have never seen one in any musuem that had serrated edges it wouldnt be any more effective and would be very hard service after combat you have to remember they didnt have steel files to create or sharpen the serrations so i find that false unless you show me a perfect untouched bronze sword from before the time of christ
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