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Post by dishan.25 on Jul 4, 2011 13:54:51 GMT
Hello. I'm new to this forum and to buying swords. I'm interested in hand-and-a-half swords and two handed swords. I'm located in Canada and have been trying to find sword dealers, but especially sword manufacturers in Canada. I came upon DarkSword Armory located in Quebec. I'm really interested in their William Wallace Sword, The Ranger Sword, Scottish Claymore, and their 12th Century Medieval Sword. I was just wondering if anyone owns any of these swords made by DSA and could tell me how they handle and how well they are made. I do prefer a peened sword over nut. So, I'm also wondering if they are peened or nut? Here are the links: Wallace Sword: www.darksword-armory.com/1362-Wa ... Sword.html The Ranger: www.darksword-armory.com/lord-of ... sword.html Scottish Claymore: www.darksword-armory.com/1319-Cl ... Sword.html 12th Century Medieval: www.darksword-armory.com/templar ... -1340.html Since I'm new to buying swords, I was wondering if you could tell me whose swords I should buy, you know, Windlass, Hanwei, Cold Steel etc. Thanks for any help. Dishan
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Jul 4, 2011 15:37:27 GMT
The opinions run the gamut about the makers, but from everything I've gleaned on this forum, the general consensus seems to be that DSAs are overbuilt tanks and, as a result, are quite heavy, particularly their larger models. To the best of my knowledge, most of their swords are peened. Windlass is mostly hit and miss; their shorter blades are generally fine, but their thin starting stock and little distal taper makes their longer blades "whippy" (think pool noodle; another member explained it better than I could ever hope, so I'll try and find his post for you). Most are threaded, though a select few are peened; this is pretty common on cheaper swords, as far as I can tell. Edit to add: This is the post I mentioned. It will tell you just about everything you would want to know about longer Windlass swords. Cold Steel, well, opinions differ greatly on them. Some find them little more than high priced beaters while others think they're excellent swords. Their swords are also mostly threaded, though I think their might be a few that are peened (their sabers, I believe, but you're looking at longswords). As for Hanwei, they're a great company and their relatively recent H/T line of Euro swords is well respected; they have 3 hand-and-a-half/two handed swords: Bastard (Fullered or Unfullered), Longsword, and then the Great Sword of War. They're also significantly cheaper than the DSAs, on par (price-wise) with Windlasses. However, one thing I've noted people mentioning often is the standard edge on them is relatively hit-or-miss; some get a perfectly sharp edge while some get one that's not so sharp. The H/T series was designed by Tinker Pearce and all are hex nut. Valiant Armory makes the Practical Longsword, which I've never heard a complaint against, as well as their more expensive Signature line, of which they have three longswords, the Kriegschwert, the Knight's Templar, and the Malatesta; there's also the Warder, a bastard saber, in their Valhalla collection. These range in the upper 300-low 400$ US range, so they depend on your budget. These were designed by Christian Fletcher, Angus Trim, and John Lundemo and all are hex nut, though you can have the Custom Sword Shoppe (Valiant Armory's store) peen them for an additional cost if you like, I believe. Kult of Athena is located in Chicago, Illinois and have some of the best prices around, great shipping, and excellent customer service, but if that's a bit far for you, there's also Reliks, which is located in Ontario. There's also Wiwingti Sword Supply, but I don't believe they're active anymore. By the way, welcome to SBG and a very addicting hobby.
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Post by etiennehamel on Jul 4, 2011 16:08:48 GMT
Eyal is a nice guy to deal with i met him a few times and he is really passionate about his work and his way to deal with customers is top notch IMO
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Post by William Swiger on Jul 4, 2011 16:34:47 GMT
Welcome!!
For the DSA line - look at the weight and point of balance. Some of their swords fall into the rather heavy mode. Some are within a reasonable range. I own 3 DSA swords and they are fine. If you like to cut heavy targets - good choice. Just get them sharpened when you order them.
Windlass - I do not buy into the "whippy" craze that folks seem to pin on them. Have some longswords from them and they are fine. Think I have only bought 1 Windlass that was too flexible for the sword type. Have a bunch of their models. Many longer historical swords were flexible but worked fine. Funny thing was the most flexible sword I ever purchased was a VA practical longsword. Again - I do not buy into the whippy thing.
Hanwei - Pretty good medieval swords. Would recommend to not purchase the pretty cheap ones. Everything else is very good. I mean the 120.00 and below to not buy. Have several of their swords.
VA Swords - Would recommend to stay away from the old cheaper designs. The signature swords are good but have a hex nut vice a peen. The hex nut does not impact their use as cutters. Might have to tighten every so often. Have four of their signature swords.
Just my view. Just like buttholes - everyone has one :lol:
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Post by Enkidu on Jul 5, 2011 16:40:24 GMT
Hanwei H/T are very nice for the price, they are just plain and scream for customization. They are very well balanced and great cutters too. They really are the closest thing to a real sword in terms of handling in the bunch. DSA's I've too met Eyal a couple of times, and what Etienne said is true, a very passionate guy and very interesting to talk to. Most of the older models are indeed a bit overbuilt, they were made with another customer crowd in mind, now Eyal is slowly getting into this backyard cutter thing and i think that the new models will show that. The Wallace, the executioner and the other upcoming models are to watch. For an exemple last time i saw him he made me held the kurgan and i was blown away. The mass distribution was perfect, it handled not only right but great. I was really surprised by it. I still dont really like the model but let me tell you it is finely executed in all parts. I think we still need to wait a little to see what DSA will come up with soon. To answer your question, i do have the DSA ranger, its a monster, i think i could knock down an horse with it. The valiant signature... held one twice, the Krieg and the castille, nice swords, really nice, nothing to say against those, well worth the money. I've got not enough experience with Windlass to say anything relevant about them
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 17:47:25 GMT
I picked up the DSA Nomad blade which I consider a hand and a half and I really like the point of balance on it. It is quite light and if it were sharpened I think it would be a great weapon. I actually put the sword together myself so the pommel isn't peened since I don't have that ability. Instead I used a threaded wheel pommel and used loctite to keep it tight. Not the best but since it's mostly for looks I'm not worried about it. Since it's not sharp I can't swing it against anything but the tip is quite nice for stabbing
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 19:05:26 GMT
Darksword Armory, Hanwei, Windlass, Valiant Armoury, Cold steel are all generally manufacturers of decent quality swords. They all make good to not very good swords. So generalities about the manufacturers themselves is of little value.The best course of action is to decide if any of their specific sword models interest you and search for reviews here or post questions about the specific models you are interested in. I do agree with this statement: I own two Windlass longswords and they aren't too flexible or "whippy". In this regard they are both very similar to the H/T Longsword and Great Sword of War I own. As far as the Darksword models you inquired about. I haven't personally handled any of these swords, but here is some information that might be of help. William Wallace sword, Couldn't find any info so I would contact DSA. Lord of the Rings Ranger, here is a review on this site: www.sword-buyers-guide.com/ranger-sword.htmlspecifications from the review: Blade Length: 35 ½"(advertised as 36") Blade Width: 2 1/2" Blade Material: Hand forged 1060 High Carbon Steel Hilt Length: 12" Overall Length: 46 1/4" (advertised as 46 1/2") Point of Balance: 5 1/8" from guard Center of Percussion: 23 1/8" from guard Guard Width: 10" Pommel: 3 5/8" long, 1 1/2" wide (weighs 12oz) Weight: 6lbs 2oz (not including scabbard) Scottish Claymore, here are some nice pics and specifications on KOA site: www.kultofathena.com/product.asp ... h+Claymore Overall Length: 48 1/2'' Blade: 34 3/4'' Weight: 3 lb 13.4 oz Edge: Blunt P.O.B.: 4 1/4'' Thickness: 4.4 mm - 4.2 mm Width: 51.2 mm Grip Length: 9'' Pommel: Peened Two Handed Medieval sword, here is a review on this site: www.sword-buyers-guide.com/knights-templar.htmlPics and specs. at KOA: kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=DSA1340Overall Length: 45 1/2'' Blade: 35 5/8'' Weight: 4 lb 7.5 oz Edge: Blunt P.O.B.: 5 1/8'' Thickness: 4.6 mm - 5.4 mm Width: 56.3 mm Grip Length: 6 1/2'' Pommel: Peened
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Post by Cold Napalm on Jul 7, 2011 7:34:37 GMT
You seem to like the big beefy two handers. Well I'll be honest...I don't like DSA swords. They aren't balanced well, they are heavy and they just don't look very sword like with their god aweful huge fittings. Even the new ones are all kinda off. The claymore for example, the grip is WAY to thick, the crossguard is not only very thick, but it's short as well and the pommel is TINY. Probably because the cross and handle weights WAY more then it should. Yes I am being very harsh here.
Now windlass swords of this length is REALLY iffy. You have to be very careful of which model you get.
The hanwei tinker line is all good...so is VA's atrim line.
But here's the thing...your looking at swords above the 300 mark by a good chunck. The DSA sword sharpened for the claymore is 350 bucks. Save 50 bucks more and get a two handed merc line gud blade from tried and true. Your supporting a great US craftsman and you get a top notch, community recognized sword. And really if I had 300+ bucks for a sword, thats what I would do.
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Post by chuckinohio on Jul 9, 2011 11:41:33 GMT
If you are considering Windlass products, then take a look at these models. www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=500800&name=15th+Century+Longsword 15th Century Longsword www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=500792&name=German+Bastard+Sword German Bastard Sword www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=500794&name=Long+Sword Longsword AKA Sword of Roven I own one of each of the above, and they will suit you for a functional Longsword. NOT WHIPPY or too flexible or limp noodlish. For a Claymore, I would buy this one kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=SH2060 Hanwei Claymore kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=SH2060N Antiqued Version of above DSA swords are stout, and some models been reworked to make their weight more manageable as of late. Eyal is a fantastic guy to talk to and deal with, he is a decent fellow on all counts. One thing to be aware of about the weight of DSA swords is, through repeated use, the weight may work against the sword. Recently, I broke the tang on a DSA Ranger sword. I have used this sword for pell practice for several years and never even got a hint of trouble. One day I heard a "TINK" and the blade was off in the fence line. The tang broke in a clean line perpendicular to the long axis of the blade about 2 inches up from the blade shoulders. Even though it was a substantial tang, the over 5 pound weight of the sword seems to have been a bit much for it to bear. The up side of this story is............................................ You guessed it, Eyal stood behind his product 100% I told him that it was an old model, I had posessed it for many years, and it had been beat against a wooden pell for ages. His response was, "It broke, I don't care how or why, you get a new one", and I did shortly there after. That's something to consider when it comes time to commit dollars.
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Post by StevenJ on Jul 9, 2011 21:22:07 GMT
The DSA Claymore and Wallace the best choices you have to select from above. The Ranger and 12th century are too heavy. I haven't handled the Wallace but the stats seem okay but do own the old DSA ebay Claymore without the Langets. I'm actually selling it here on SBG to fund other projects. It handles very well but it is only four feet long where the Hanwei is much larger. I've heard issues of the Hanwei claymore failing on SBG. I don't know if they have improved their quality but I remember someone posting about the tang failing. The DSA Claymore felt a bit heavy in the hand when I first got it due to lack of distal taper but with two hands was very manageable. It is easy to handle now that I thinned out the blade. If you want it, it's for sale, check out the classifieds.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2011 0:29:43 GMT
The Hanwei Highland Claymore StevenJ is talking about broke the tang at the pommel after being hit against a tree. It is the only one I have ever heard of that had that problem. Several other reviews have been favorable. Here are two reviews: sbgswordforum.proboards.com/inde ... ge=1#34218 sbgswordforum.proboards.com/inde ... e=1#162838
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Post by chuckinohio on Jul 10, 2011 13:06:13 GMT
DJG is correct. The fellow that broke the tang on his Hanwei Claymore admitted that he was literally trying to chop wood with it. The Hanwei version is a good blade.
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