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Post by Paul on Jun 19, 2011 7:32:01 GMT
In anticipation of my Albion Crecy’s (standard dark brown grip) arrival, hopefully in the next few weeks, I have started to look into a scabbard and have booked my spot in the queue with DBK. I just need to finalize exactly how I want it before its time to order. I really just need to decide if I go for single or double belt suspension as per the following; Double; www.dbkcustomswords.com/images/b ... zA1152.jpg Single; www.dbkcustomswords.com/images/b ... nA1152.jpg So what are your thoughts of single Vs double belts on a scabbard? The other personal decision I need to finalize is if I go for the coloring as above or if I go for the dark coloring as follows; www.dbkcustomswords.com/images/b ... GB1152.jpg Cheers Paul
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Post by Aaron on Jun 19, 2011 15:16:20 GMT
For a longer sword like the Crecy, personally I would go with a double belt as it would support that sword at the correct angle better than the single belt would.
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Post by Sneakypete on Jun 19, 2011 17:06:06 GMT
Yeah, I'd go double-belt. I dig that style, it kinda makes me think "western gunslinger"
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Post by Lunaman on Jun 19, 2011 17:46:50 GMT
Haha, totally! :lol: Pretty awesome. If the double-belt version is within your budget, I say go for it. Looks great. A thing to remember though, is that the Crecy is not actually very long or large, it's a handy and compact sword (sorry to contradict you Aaron, I just mean "longer" is always a relative term. The crecy's only two inches bigger than your Tinker bastard, for reference). Since it is not overly-long, the single integrated belt would be perfectly adequate as well. Just go with what is your best preference. I'd personally go for a later period two-point suspension like this--I find them very comfortable and it's easier to adjust the angle of the sword to find what fits you best. Whichever way you go, congrats on a very nice sword and scabbard!
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Post by Aaron on Jun 19, 2011 18:43:22 GMT
I meant longer relative to an arming sword. I'd go with a double belt on my H/T Bastard, too. I'd agree that the two-point suspension would be the best fit, but it wasn't listed so I did not mention it. If it interests Paul, then I'd say he should go for that.
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Post by Lunaman on Jun 19, 2011 23:53:12 GMT
Well there you go, yes :lol: . Integrated belts carry the sword higher on the hip, so I still wouldn't worry too much about the length with one. But the angle is locked. And since the extra belt wouldn't change the angle at all, the single belt is just as useful for managing the length as the double. It might feel a bit more secure and certainly look way more cool, but it wouldn't handle the length any better. Right? Anyway, I know the OP didn't mention a two-point suspension, but it's a great way to carry a bastard or longsword, so I though I'd bring it up as an option. All the images that were linked to are Brian's previous Crecy's, but that's not the only way to do it--I much prefer the look of a multiple-point suspension. As for color, I think a darker brown for the scabbard and having Brian match the straps to the grip would look smashing.
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Post by Aaron on Jun 20, 2011 3:15:22 GMT
Eh, in my experience (fairly limited though it may be), the tip weight further out tends to pull downward more than a shorter sword would, and does change the effective angle noticeably. The belt is at a fixed angle, sure, but the flexible nature of the leather gives way to gravity.
And personally I think I lighter color main body with dark straps/grip would look best. But dark would look great as long as the straps aren't really light. I always thought that contrasted strangely.
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Post by Paul on Jun 21, 2011 9:09:15 GMT
Cheers thanks guys, I guess it comes down to more of a style choice then. I was more concerned that the single belt and a long ( ish ) sword might sit a bit awkwardly. I hadn’t considered the 2 point suspension simply because I thought it was intended for a larger sword? And I guess it would possibly be a bit less cluttered / tangled as compared to a 2 belt suspension? What I wouldn’t mind seeing are photos of people wearing a sword and scabbard with the different suspensions, if nothing else but to get s sense for the style / look.
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Post by Lunaman on Jun 21, 2011 19:23:05 GMT
Happy to share some opinions, mate. 2-point suspensions are pretty well par for the course for bastards and up in size, doesn't have to be huge blade. And the adjustable nature is very handy. But I don't think the double belt would be 'cluttered' in any way--like I said, it looks really cool. I would imagine it would be more expensive than one belt with suspension points, though. Here's some photos of two-point and a single integrated belt. This Angus Trim/Christian Fletcher Venetian Bastard Sword is very close in size to the Crecy. (I used to have a Crecy-based ranger sword, here are the two blades next to each other: i100.photobucket.com/albums/m7/L ... CF0892.jpg ) Pardon the Napoleonic posturing, I was trying to keep my arms out of the way. :lol: And here's a single integrated belt with an Albion Squire, which has a blade about 3 inches shorter than its big brother Crecy: Looking at it now, I belted on the Squire a bit too high but you can see how an integrated belt gives you a steeper angle, but is placed high on the hip. On the other hand the two-point suspension can be adjusted for a more horizontal angle, but hangs below the hip.
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Post by Aaron on Jun 21, 2011 19:26:14 GMT
Allow me to say: Kickass jacket man. And nice swords, I guess.
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Post by Lunaman on Jun 21, 2011 19:32:21 GMT
Hahaha, thanks!
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Post by Brian Kunz on Jun 22, 2011 0:13:54 GMT
My own personal recommendation would be to go with the double-belt. The Crecy is just entering the final years of the integral suspension, and by no means is too lengthy for it. But it's also entering the early years of the longsword & renaissance era of suspensions. So either way works fine. In my own personal experience, the double-belt suspension is also the most comfortable and functional of all suspensions. It allows for angle adjustment for sheathing and drawing the blade, and can also be lifted like a 2-point and allow the user to sit down on a bench or a chair with no arms.
When being aksed which way to go, I also ask if the scabbard will be worn a lot or is just for looks. As for storage, the 2-point and or 2.5-point is much more difficult to deal with unless unbuckled from the scabbard itself. The double-belt with a little practice can be wrapped around the scabbard in a nice little bundle.
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Post by Brian Kunz on Jun 22, 2011 1:01:12 GMT
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Forgive me, but I must provide some more input here. How a scabbard hangs is all in the build as well. I build my own scabbards for more vertical hang, and less horizontal as you can see below. From customer feedback & personal experience from the early days of scabbard building, a vertical hang is preferred over a more horizontal hang. I also build my 2-point and 2.5-point suspensions not to hang so low from the hip, as to have the scabbard bouncing around on your thigh, but my scabbards are higher and closer to the belt itself. I don't have a suspension like this handy to demonstrate, but the angles are adjustable but it is built with more vertical hang in mind. But with a higher position on the hip there is less bounce and scabbard swing during a walk, and even more so with a 2.5-point suspension. I'm trying to come from a user perspective here as to provide some input for functionality. But at the same time emphasize that not only do I go for aesthetics on a build, but also form and function in the actual use of a scabbard.
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Post by Lunaman on Jun 22, 2011 1:04:41 GMT
^^^I'd listen to him on this one. Brian, how does the second belt weave into the scabbard? My brain isn't quite able to wrap around the mechanics from just the front view. And how does it let you adjust the angle/lift the tip?
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Post by Brian Kunz on Jun 22, 2011 1:21:20 GMT
Assuming you're talking about a double-belt? The belt that does not wrap around the scabbard is the upper belt that wraps around the waist tightly just above the normal belt line. The lower belt that is wrapped around the scabbard hangs loosely and thereby creates a relaxed hang. The actual connection of the belts is located on the opposite hip. See on the right side of this image below and the inside of it on the next image As for adjustment of angle on a integral be it single- or double-belt there isn't any adjustment. Only a 2-point or 2.5-point allow for angle adjustment. The 2.5-point suspension I build wraps around the waist and limits the movement of the scabbard during motion as much as possible.
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Post by Lunaman on Jun 22, 2011 1:41:54 GMT
Answered my question and much more, many thanks! Gosh, those are beautiful scabbards.
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Post by Paul on Jun 22, 2011 6:42:21 GMT
What can I say, the double belt it is The more I look at these scabbards I can’t help but feel that a sword isn’t complete without a scabbard. And I have to say Brian’s works are simply beautiful. Thanks for your pics Lunaman and do you mind if I ask why you don't have your Crecy ranger anymore? Thanks for your input guys
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Post by Lunaman on Jun 22, 2011 15:40:11 GMT
I know, right? And his photography's as nice as his leatherwork. :shock: Happy to help. I recently went on a trip to Europe and needed a cushion in my savings in case some accident or emergency happened. The Crecy-based "Borderwatch" was my most valuable sword at the time, so I sold it to forumite chuckinohio to have the funds on reserve. Not to worry, though, I'm having a brand new one built at the moment :lol: custumized slightly differently. I didn't let the sword go because I did not love it; on the contrary, I loved it enough to buy one twice! The Crecy is an absolutely spectacular blade. I'm sure you'll be pleased with yours. I know I'm itching to get my new one in-hand.
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