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Post by Tyler on May 25, 2011 0:59:18 GMT
Today while inspecting the Masahiro Shadow Warrior, i decided i really did not like the cheap leather wrap very much. So im going to be re doing it in attempt to do a battle wrap on it. Was wondering if anyone here can recommend some good sites for ito wraps and fittings, i may even replace the menuki, tsuba, and the other parts (names escape me).
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 25, 2011 1:46:45 GMT
Aaron Justice at Justice Armory has good ito for cheap. Swordnarmory, Yamato Budogu, Nihonzashi, and Tozandoshop all have good ito and fittings. Artsfeng has a lot of fittings as well.
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Post by Tyler on May 26, 2011 0:36:12 GMT
Sweet thanks! went with the cranberry red ito wrap from swordnarmory. should be here in 4 - 7 days, then we shall see how i fair at doing a battle wrap lol
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Post by Tyler on May 26, 2011 1:38:57 GMT
Also while unwrapping the cheap leather ito i found that on the sides (not paneled by the black ray skin) there seems to be some kind of wax paper stuck to the leather and wood. its coming off easing but still is kind of weird to me.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 26, 2011 1:47:20 GMT
It's used to build a better shape to the tsuka as well as make the ito stick to the sides, making the wrap a bit easier. I got the green silk ito from Swordnarmory and use it to wrap my Ronin Dojo Budget. My review is in the review section if you want to see the wrap after being applied. I'm personally very happy with it, and that vendor is very cool.
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Post by Tyler on May 26, 2011 4:52:38 GMT
Sweet i have heard good things about Ronin katana's and i still dont understand the logic of wax paper under ito wrap lol
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Post by SanMarc on May 26, 2011 4:58:20 GMT
It should be glued on tissue paper, (Rice) and it helps the ito to not move......SanMarc.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 26, 2011 5:07:52 GMT
Yeah. When you wrap(I found this out the hard way) the ito doesn't want to stay in place. It wants to scoot and squirm around out of place. You can use paper with a diluted glue and water solution to apply strips of rice paper(or really any kind) to the sides of the tsuka to help keep it from doing so. Bear in mind though, a slightly weak solution lightly applied is best. The tsuka is sometimes found to be too round and the applied strips also help to make it a more grip-friendly and aesthetically pleasing shape. Finally, you should also look up how to make and use hishigami for the wrap. I didn't and the triangles formed by twisting the ito were shoddy, loose and uneven. a clamp of some sort is also good to secure the progress you've made. You don't want to accidentally drop it and have all of your hard work unravel.
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Post by Tyler on May 26, 2011 19:34:05 GMT
ohh ok that makes sense, thank you for the heads up, also the wood on the sides where the rice paper was is still somewhat sticky, is that good enough or would i be better off re-applying some of that stuff?
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 26, 2011 20:26:20 GMT
That's up to you. If you like the shape of the tsuka and don't want to mess around with it, then just wrap it. You could also make some hishigami strips to use instead of wax paper. This is a strip of tough paper applied to the sides that has triangles cut into the edges to use as a guide to wrap. I'll try to find a picture to post for you.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 26, 2011 20:36:10 GMT
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Post by Tyler on May 28, 2011 1:29:37 GMT
hmmm those raise a few questions but they are helpful, im awaiting the ito wrap to arrive tomorrow at noon and im not sure when the menuki i ordered from artfeng will arrive. got an email saying shipped but im not sure what service the tracking number goes to=/
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 28, 2011 2:00:27 GMT
I saw that the author of the top article uses that tape with adhesive on both sides to keep the wrap on. That may work better for you than trying to do the water-glue solution, and seems to me would be less of a potential hazard to the ito.
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Post by Tyler on May 28, 2011 4:41:35 GMT
Double sided tape is not a bad idea... provided it stays put for years lol if the stickyness already on the tsuka isnt enough ill have to look into it, but i have plenty of time to practice until my menuki arrive
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Post by Tyler on May 28, 2011 20:34:56 GMT
I got my ito wrap today and started practicing, i started with a loose wrap to see how i would do at it(no menuki yet so all i can do is practice lol) im not using hishigami, or any tape on the sides just free wrapping for now, and im having some trouble with the wood on the side of the rayskin panel being exposed, any pointers? Attachments:
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 28, 2011 21:01:38 GMT
As a first pass, that's not that bad at all. The same strip seems to be a bit thin, so you may want to blacken the wood on the sides of the rayskin so that there's not such a striking contrast. Also, most people who do this regularly have a set of makeshift tools that they use to manipulate the ito as they wrap. Something like a dental pick works. That way they can adjust the ito without having to unravel it. Remember to alternate the strands, right over left, left over right. This is traditional, but also it keeps your wrap from coming fully undone if the kashira becomes loose.
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Post by Tyler on May 28, 2011 21:31:09 GMT
I was thinking the same thing, the same strip being to thin. ill probably take some black paint to the edges(marker doesnt seem like such a great idea lol) and would hishigami triangles help? or just more practicing? if i can get a nice tight wrap that will last with out the use of paper triangles i think that would be easier. as for some dental tools ill see what i can find at walmart tomorrow, i have to close tonight so my practice has come to an end today:(
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 28, 2011 21:50:43 GMT
The hishigami will absolutely help. They are a bit of a pain, but they create something for the ito to conform and grasp on to. This will keep the diamonds even and in place. If you don't use them, you will end up having to re-wrap a lot sooner than with them, and the wrap will not look as good. Ha, you're right, marker would look bad. For more in-depth help, you may want to PM frankthebunny. He is an old hand at this and is always really helpful. He has a customization site, cottontailcustoms.com. You may want to go there and have a look.
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Post by Lobster Hunter on May 29, 2011 2:25:51 GMT
I discovered that making the hishigami out of something already stiff and thick like chip board, the kind on the back of note pads and such works pretty good.
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Post by bleachsword on May 29, 2011 5:55:27 GMT
You mean flat cardbord or card stock/ note cards?
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