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Post by jeimuzu on May 11, 2011 22:43:23 GMT
ok guys....Im stuck between 2 pistols for on-duty use. a glock 22 or 23. Which ones would you guys use for On-duty?
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Sam H
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Post by Sam H on May 11, 2011 23:13:00 GMT
Define on duty and general idea of what you might encounter.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on May 11, 2011 23:14:45 GMT
if you dont mind my saying, Neither. Glock 21....45ACP ftw. :twisted:
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Post by jeimuzu on May 11, 2011 23:59:03 GMT
Im going for armed Security guard. Ill be working in corporate buildings in cleveland, OH. Cleveland is known for its crime rate. While Im not too sure of wht Ill encounter on the job, I would rather pack heat but not too much to where it suffices my amount of ammo. While yes Id love to go with the .45......it just doesnt seem to be a good candidate for Armed Security. Home Defense and just to plink is fine....but I want to get the .40 S&W because it packs almost as much heat as a .45 and low recoil...which is a big gain for if your in a fire fight. I havent heard of a security guard ever using their pistol....but I would still like to have that extra protection. This day and age, people are getting laid off for budget cuts....some could become enraged and come in and shoot up the place.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on May 12, 2011 0:04:04 GMT
In my purely novice opinion, Jeimuzu, I'd go with the 22 since it's full size; although I don't know the exact specifics, nor the weight of the two off the top of my head, I imagine the extra weight of the 22 could (and I'm stressing this because I'm just guessing) help control the recoil a little more.
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Post by jeimuzu on May 12, 2011 0:13:17 GMT
Thats what I thought too....Ill post the specs so you guys can give me your opinion on which one you would choose.
Glock 22: •Configuration: Right Hand •Action: Double Action Only •Caliber: 40 S&W •Capacity: 15 Round •Features: ◦Safe Action Trigger System: Partially Tensioned Firing Pin Lock Moves To Back Of Trigger Bar When Trigger Pulled ◦Tenifer Coated Parts: Gives Hardness Close To That Of A Diamond ◦Finger On Trigger: Safety Off ◦Finger Off Trigger: Safety On ◦Extractor Serves As Loaded Chamber Indicator ◦Firing Pin Safety: Blocks Firing Pin Channel Making Igniting the Chambered Cartridge By The Firing Pin Impossible ◦Drop Safety: Prevents Unintentional Fire If Glock® Is Dropped •Barrel Length: 4.49 Inch •Overall Length: 7.32 Inch •Includes: ◦(2) Magazines ◦Glock® Cleaning Rod ◦Glock® Cleaning Brush ◦Glock® Speedloader ◦Cable Lock ◦Fired Casing ◦Instruction Manual ◦Glock® Hard Plastic Case •Grips: Polymer •Weight: 22.92 Ounces (Empty) •Sights: Fixed •Barrel Material: Cold Hammered, Tenifer Coated With Rounded Interior Profiles •Frame Material: Polymer •Finish: Black
Glock 23: •Configuration: Right Hand •Type: Compact •Action: Double Action Only •Caliber: 40 S&W •Capacity: 13 Round •Features: ◦Safe Action Trigger System: Partially Tensioned Firing Pin Lock Moves To Back Of Trigger Bar When Trigger Pulled ◦Tenifer Coated Parts: Gives Hardness Close To That Of A Diamond ◦Finger On Trigger: Safety Off ◦Finger Off Trigger: Safety On ◦Extractor Serves As Loaded Chamber Indicator ◦Firing Pin Safety: Blocks Firing Pin Channel Making Igniting the Chambered Cartridge By The Firing Pin Impossible ◦Drop Safety: Prevents Unintentional Fire If Glock® Is Dropped •Barrel Length: 4.02 Inch •Overall Length: 6.85 Inch •Includes: ◦(2) Magazines ◦Glock® Cleaning Rod ◦Glock® Cleaning Brush ◦Glock® Speedloader ◦Cable Lock ◦Fired Casing ◦Instruction Manual ◦Glock® Hard Plastic Case •Grips: Polymer •Weight: 21.16 Ounces (Empty) •Sights: Fixed •Barrel Material: Cold Hammered, Tenifer Coated With Rounded Interior Profiles •Frame Material: Polymer •Finish: Black
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Post by Sam H on May 12, 2011 1:31:06 GMT
I'd go with neither.
Armed security in high rise buildings in metro Cleveland - I'd go with the Glock 21.
Reason:
1. Full frame autoloader - if you're going to be an armed security officer you're going to be wearing a holster. Size and weight are still a consideration however you won't be trying to conceal that thing so you don't need it particularly small. Once you get used to carrying it on your hip it won't be much of an issue. When I go hunting I have either a 1911 or a .44mag revolver on my hip and I've gotten used to it so I don't even notice the weight as I walk.
2. .45acp - big bore power while still being controllable. If you wanted more power you could go with a 10mm but unless you're really familiar with handguns and have extensive practice with one a 10mm autoloader tends to be more recoil than most shooters can manage in a stressful situation. .40s&w is a good round and very effective in what its designed for and I have nothing against it. In fact it'd be my second choice over .45acp. My only reasoning for choosing the .45acp is simply the fact that I'm a fan of the old .45acp.
But if you're intent on a .40s&w get the full frame pistol. If you ever get into a firefight the extra couple rounds could make a real difference. As for recoil I doubt that there'd be much difference between the two. You're only talking a few oz. difference in weight and in a .40s&w that won't make much of a difference.
Seriously though are you sure you want to get into armed security? My cousin came out of the Navy and became an armed security guard for Brinkmann's. He hated the job - pay sucked, the job sucked and the hours sucked. In the end he quit and went to work for a power plant as armed security. The job still sucks and the hours suck worse but at least the pay is good.
Anyway good luck with the job.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on May 12, 2011 1:41:02 GMT
i wish could fnd a security job in ohio....ive applied everywhere. associates degree, police academy corrections academy, and work experience and i still cant even get an interview...my friend with no qualifications at all applied to the same place as i did and he interviewed and got hired....i didnt even get a call...WTF?!?!??!?! :evil:
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Post by chopper on May 12, 2011 1:57:55 GMT
I have carried a Glock 22 (40 cal) on duty for nearly 16 years. In my opinion it's a good caliber in between the 9 and 45. Cant go wrong with it.
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Post by jeimuzu on May 12, 2011 2:46:15 GMT
While I do see what your saying....I think to start out Im gonna go with the 22. as I get use to it, I may switch over to the 21 as I havent shot a pistol in almost 10 years. even then it was a .22. Job wise, hours may suck, and the job may suck...I have loved security since last year. Job pays $16 an hour....possibly more. going from $8.50 an hour to $16 is a huge step. the company I work for is very nice. I havent had any problems with them. They know what kind of worker I am...so they work with me. I give them what I would like to work, and they match it. I cant be any happier. Besides....this may not be a life long career.....this is just something to get me some college money. I have to come up with $13k before I can even think about college.
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Post by GUEST on May 12, 2011 9:24:02 GMT
For duty use only I would go with the 22, but if you go with the 23 you can carry it concleaded off duty. I still carry a 9mm if you know how to shoot well a 9mm will do the job just as well as a 45. I say this having Glocks 9mm, 10mm and 45 pistol, plus alot of other pistols I could carry. It's the the caliber it's the person behind the gun.
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Post by ShooterMike on May 12, 2011 13:31:39 GMT
The G22 is a great choice. The G23 is a good choice too. But for uniform work, the wide availability and cost of good duty gear for the full-size G22 is a lot better. FYI, the G22 is now the single most common duty pistol in use in the U.S. And there's a lot of darned good reasons.
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Post by MrAcheson on May 12, 2011 14:37:32 GMT
Honestly, they're both good guns. The only real difference is barrel and grip length. The 22 is going to be slightly more effective in a fight, but the 23 is going to be easier to carry on your hip day in and day out. I haven't researched it, but it would surprise me if you couldn't put the 23 in all the 22's holsters etc. I know it'll eat out of the larger capacity 22's mags.
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Post by Bogus on May 14, 2011 4:26:05 GMT
This may be a dumb question but are we talking "red blazers and name tags" building security or the kind who look and act like cops? A giant Glock might be unsettling to the office drones you're looking after if they're not used to it, and there really isn't anything remotely inconspicuous about the G22.
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Post by ShooterMike on May 16, 2011 15:21:14 GMT
Good point, Bogus. I had assumed uniformed security guard. But if you're the blazer-wearing security type, then the Glock 23 would definitely get my nod. It carries better under a jacket.
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Post by Taran on Jun 9, 2011 22:52:26 GMT
Which one is a .45? Neither? Then get a real gun if your employer will let you carry one. Several options for hi-cap and compact .45s out there, even.
In more seriousness, if you aren't going to carry a .45 or a 10mm, no reason Not to go with the 9mm. Ammo is cheaper, lighter, easier to get and not just as effective, but More effective than the .40 when you start talking the better JHPs like Hornady Critical Defense, Hydroshocks, and Speer Gold Dot. Greater expansion, greater tendency to fragment, greater velocity.
In any case, you said .45 is better for home/self-defense, and I fully agree. So keep in mind what you're going to be doing if/when you have to use your duty piece at work. You're going to be in a self-defense situation. Why would you Not carry the better self-defense piece?
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Post by wganz on Jun 19, 2011 14:26:34 GMT
The G23 is going to be better if you are going to get a concealed carry license later. The larger capacity G22 magazines can be used and the use of the plastic sleeve on the exposed base of the G22 gives a much better grip. The .40 S&W has a quicker/snappier recoil than either the 9mm or .45 and thusly harder to get off multiple shots than with the other two. With the use of new modern JHP ammo, there is no real performance difference between 9mm vs. .40 vs. .45. I'll see if I can find the pix of the gel comparing the three.
The .40 S&W caliber was an outgrowth of the changes made after the infamous FBI-Miami Shootout were multiple FBI agents were killed due to poor penetration of service ammo and tactics. The FBI first went with the 10mm Auto but had to get a Short & Weaker version since smaller agents & women could not handle the 10mm which is now called the .40 S&W round. A lot has gone into the development of JHP design and shooting tactics as well since that 11 April 1986 morning.
So, you would actually be better off with a G19([G23 sized 9x19mm]) than with a G23. Easier to shoot accurately and fast. Cheaper to shoot. Can be concealed carry with the proper permits. Equally effective with modern JHP ammo.
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