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Post by joeydac on Apr 28, 2011 20:34:42 GMT
as i stated i heard the noise but thats appently common with them as for the peen i didnt take notice it was failing till the 3rd strike secondly i know how to use a sword but you can feel free to come over and give me a lesson anytime you like and as far as the stupid comments thats a voilation of the forum rules maybe you should go do some push ups there buddy also you dont let 12 year old handle swords so thats a whole nother matter that needs to be addressed with the proper agency also i repeat i made 3 light test swing at a small sapling not full force swings and where i come from its called troubleshooting and i repeat they were done to test the feel of the sword and the weight when you buy a sword do you even pick it up and your gonna sit there and tell me you never struck you cutting stand or tried to cut some branches get off your pedestal man everyone in and on this forum has from time to time has hit a wooden object i guess its wrong on this sit to report a bad review lets just go along like good little sheep and continue to buy functional wall hangers with no quality to them my kitchen knives are built better thats sad i guess i should go practice cutting with them at least they wont fail then il go do some push ups
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Post by Sam H on Apr 28, 2011 20:55:43 GMT
I'm afraid I don't understand. Why did you go dig up this quote from SMG? Was it to support your placing the blame on Windlass for the sword failing?
We all acknowledged the sword was most likely defective. Its also been acknowledged you should not have been banging on a tree with a dull defective sword. Especially if you had already read this particular quote prior to deciding to chop down a tree in an attempt to diagnose the problem with your sword. If that were the case why did you not take the steps suggested in this quote to help fix the noise instead of banging the sword against a tree?
Yes Windlass is known for hit and miss quality control. Yes they are also known for making fairly whippy blades especially in their longer swords. Yes they are known for fairly poor hilt construction on some models of swords. Knowing all of this I personally would not have decided to strike a tree multiple times with a sword displaying one of these issues. I'm sure many others in this forum would not have done that either.
Now if you said you were cutting water bottles and the sword broke or cutting tatami and it broke I'd be more sympathetic - especially if the sword showed no signs of defect. In this case you knew there was a problem - and the sword was not sharpened. You knew the existence of these particular issues with their swords and with a sword that clearly displayed one of the problem symptoms stated in SMG you STILL proceeded to strike a tree multiple times with said sword till it broke. That's just sword abuse out and out as well as poor judgement. Can't blame Windlass for that.
Now in response to your other post:
Go back and re-read your post. You noticed the hilt getting progressively worse with each strike yet you continued.
I have no desire to teach you how to use a sword - and I don't believe I violated any forum rules. I told you I'd ream out my daughter for being stupid and make her do pushups, situps and v ups for her poor choices and yes - being stupid. I expect more of her than that. I never told you to go do pushups or anything did I? I also do quite a few pushups - 75 a day. I'll tack on another 25 for you tonight. :roll:
Its not illegal for me to let my 12 yr old daughter cut with my swords. In fact I'd wager she's much more accomplished with a sword than you are. Oh yeah I also let my 5 yr old boy and 12 yr old daughter shoot guns too. My daughter shoots trap with me on a weekly basis - averaging 18/25 per round. Both kids practice safe firearms handling and everyone at the sportsman's clubs I belong to know and trust them as well. In fact they're safer than a lot of adults I've seen on the range. They're pretty good shots too actually. Just so you know that's not illegal either last time I checked.
I admitted to having cut down 2-3" saplings. I have also hit my stand in the past and probably will do so in the future too. So has my daughter. Thus far the swords haven't failed but if they did it wouldn't be the fault of the manufacturer. Others have admitted to hitting their stand or other wooden objects. They have not though blamed the manufacturer.
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Its wrong to blame the manufacturer for something you might have caused. I told you I agreed with you the sword probably should never have left the factory. I also agree Windlass has a history of poor quality control. I do not agree with what you did with the sword knowing what you claimed to know. If you knew the sword had a problem why on earth would you troubleshoot your sword by swinging at a tree? If one of my firearms has a problem - let's say my AK has developed a jammed firing pin and as a result ends up slam firing through a mag. I'm not going to load another mag and say "Let's fire off a few more mags and see what the problem is!" BAD idea. Actually a lot of firearms owners here would call me stupid for doing that... and rightfully so. I had a situation like that with an AR recently - the hammer and sear were failing to catch and the gun was doubling. When I realized what the situation was I ceased firing the weapon and came home, disassembled it and asked for insight since I didn't know jack about ARs at the time. I did not stay at the range and continue to fire till either the firearm broke on me or LE came and took me way for firearms violations. Likewise if you notice something wrong with your sword you don't swing it at a tree to troubleshoot it.
Oh and if you do the push ups please video tape and share it.
Anyway this is the last time I'll muddy up your thread bud. Good luck with your sword(s).
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Post by joeydac on Apr 28, 2011 21:18:02 GMT
ok so i counted 30 reviews that someone struck a wooden object including the founder of the site so i guess were all stupid secondly where im from minors arent allowed by law to handle firearms or weapons such as knives or swords till there 18 and third i dont think its very smart to let a 5 year old handle a live firearm im not blaming anyone on this site or any vendor im just reporting a bad design and poor quality control and for those of you out there reading this when you buy your next sword just rub oil on it and hang it up on the wall dont cut anything with it because without changes it might be your last time cutting something thats if we dont get shot by a 5 year old me im gonna go back doing my pushups windlass return policy Satisfaction Guaranteed! Quite simply, we declare that we will make good on every order. Please, if you are not 100% SATISFIED with the merchandise that you received, return it to us within 30 days with the original paperwork and we will exchange it or refund your money in the manner paid (*some exceptions apply). This is an IRON-CLAD GUARANTEE! Instructions on the back of packing slip.
im not satisfied period
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Post by Caym on Apr 28, 2011 23:44:57 GMT
last I checked a minor may handle a knife, sword , or firearm with the consent and suppervision of a parent or gaurdian ...also defensive much?
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Post by joeydac on Apr 29, 2011 1:58:22 GMT
I dont live on the west coast Check NJ laws
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Post by Sam H on Apr 29, 2011 2:28:09 GMT
I said I wasn't going to muddy your thread anymore and I was intent on staying away. However your lack of knowledge and understanding of the laws of your own state dumbfounds me. I decided then to post one final time - to enlighten you of your state's laws and regulations.
According to your state it is perfectly legal for a parent/legal guardian to place a firearm in the hands of their children regardless of age so long as that parent/guardian supervises its use by the child and that parent/guardian has a valid FPIC. Its also legal for a minor to possess and use a firearm for valid and legal hunting, target practice or military drill.
It is however illegal to sell a firearm to any person under the age of 18... which is normal in all 50 states the last time I checked.
Knife (and sword) laws pertain to being illegal to sell a knife, sword or otherwise edged weapon to a minor. A father/mother or legal guardian can give a child a knife, sword or otherwise edged weapon so long as it is supervised by said parent/guardian.
Now after perusing your state's laws I realized I don't ever want to live there and it was like reading through some other country's laws but even by those laws what I did with my children was completely legal.
Next time do some research before you make assumptions.
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Post by joeydac on Apr 29, 2011 3:04:15 GMT
You proved Me wrong plus one for you
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Post by Sébastien on Apr 29, 2011 4:44:24 GMT
Phew, that was a bit tense don't you think folks ?
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 29, 2011 6:57:31 GMT
Woo, this thread was fun.
I've always liked the design of Windlass' Falcata, but never have trusted the "bronze" hilt enough to put money on one. The other Falcatas on the market don't have the same appeal in my eyes, unfortunately.
Anywho, modern-made, inexpensive, all-metal, one-piece hilts: yeah, save your money. Don't buy it.
Tree vs Sword: Eh, we all do it...but only after we are comfortable with the proven durability. Whatever.
So, uh...which falc ya gettin' next?
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Post by joeydac on Apr 29, 2011 15:49:49 GMT
yeah im really not a fan anymore of metal hilts im looking at the gen 2 falcata but the same issue arises metal hilt so im leaning towards the scorpion falcata if it comes in a darker handle color that or im gonna go in the other direction and get a gross messer
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 29, 2011 16:41:51 GMT
I remember hearing good things about the Gen2 model, but the profile never really "did it" for me. I think they also were known to be very liberal with the epoxy on theirs, though.
I'm ashamed to say that I've forgotten the name of the fellow at Scorpion, but I'd almost guarantee if you email or PM him, he'll do up whatever kind of hilt you want on the falcata. Might run a bit more, though.
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Post by Enkidu on Apr 29, 2011 16:51:58 GMT
There's so much things i would like to say after reading this... The kids part... woah... But what do i know ? I'm from Quebec !
Anyhow, i dont think that Joey was abusing his swords and i'm happy that he shared this with us. I think that Random's advice is right on the money about the inexpensive, all-metal, one-piece hilts, i'll keep that in mind.
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Post by joeydac on Apr 29, 2011 17:09:48 GMT
i agree its hard to find sellers that do ancient swords that are not built cheaply and are not overbuilt also deepeeka blades too soft tangs shady generation 2 loosly historical and windless variable i dont mean to be hard on windlass i have 5 swords from them that im happy with one had issues with but it was resolved i just frustrated with the way the handle was made and the reaction i got from some of the members i had no intent on taking a sword i just bought and destroying it i think that wasnt conveyed properly through the thread just wanted to see how it felt in hand wasnt expecting the results as all of my other windlass swords have always performed up to my expectations guess i got a bad apple
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Post by ghost on Apr 29, 2011 18:03:23 GMT
Chris Palmer is the owner. Very pleasant to talk to. I also had him modify the handle for me on my black asp - free of charge traditionalarcherybows.com/His prices are very very good especially when they're made in the US. Most are of a tactical construction as random said...but still don't test em on trees.
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 29, 2011 18:08:07 GMT
It's a culture in many parts of America, especially where hunting and gaming are still high up on folks' ways of living. I was withheld from weapons until I was 14, but was always in the presence of them and taught proper etiquette regarding them. I fully support early education in small-caliber, low-powered arms in the name of teaching. I'd definitely suggest avoiding cheap metal hilts, though. Especially of the softer metal variety, like bronze.
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Post by Elheru Aran on Apr 29, 2011 23:20:07 GMT
Something I'm still unclear on, did you (Joeydac) ever sharpen up the blade or not? Kind of makes a little bit of difference-- not much maybe, I'll admit, but it would affect the cutting qualities of the sword. Can you cut with a blunt sword? Yes, if you're good. If you're not, well then. Not calling you a bad cutter as I've never seen anything of yours-- just sayin' is all, and I'm curious about this in general (how much sharpness has to do with cutting ability of a sword).
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Post by joeydac on Apr 30, 2011 2:03:04 GMT
I wasn't trying to cut through the tree just using the tree like a tire pell seeing how it handled
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Post by joeydac on Apr 30, 2011 2:09:50 GMT
And it was light tapping not full on strikes
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2011 4:26:06 GMT
Hearing a "clicking" sound coming from the hilt of a sword isn't usually an indicator of imminent sword failure. So I don't consider lightly tapping a tree branch with this Falcata sword abuse. Joey wasn't doing destructive testing on the sword. It just happened to fail at that moment.
Even though I wouldn't typically subject a sword to destructive testing, if I did I wouldn't expect it should fail in this manner. I think a properly designed and manufactured sword might sustain a bent or chipped blade, loosening of the hilt components, not a catastrophic failure such as a broken blade (differentially hardened katana not withstanding) or tang - peen.
To me the Falcata is a robust sword. While it isn't suitable for chopping down trees, it should be able to easily withstand a bad cut or occasional hit on a hard object. After all Kukris are basically Falcatas and they are known to be very durable.
I think Joey was right, the peen was to thin and that coupled with movement in the hilt caused the sword to break. In my opinion this sword was going to fail no matter how it was used.
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Post by joeydac on Apr 30, 2011 16:31:23 GMT
thanks dave the only way to have corrected the problem which i considered doing was to drill holes and install brass pins into the tang but i was leary because i didnt see the tang and i know the tang on a windlass is only 3/8 to 1/2 wide so i didnt wanna miss and have a bunch of hole in the hilt
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