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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 22:27:31 GMT
Ive hit it with a hammer. Ive tried bending it. Now this is the current strategy: I am starting to think the junkyard gave the leaf springs from an armoured personell carrier. I am excited as hell about turning it into a sword, the steel is amazing. However, I simply cant find a way to bend it. And something tells me that a few hundred pounds of prolonged force on something used to holding up a car isnt going to do the trick. Has anyone else ever straightnened out one of these before? It has proven more resilient than anything ive seen in any guide.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 23:30:30 GMT
Well, first, its probably very well tempered, so its not going to bend even with all that weight on it, kind of like how it wouldn't bend with the weight of a car on it. I'd say you need to undo the temper, which means heat it. after you do that, you can hammer it into a straight shape. i'm pretty sure that something like this would do the trick. www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=98894-000000717-OX2550&lpage=noneYou can just pick one up at your local lowes, and it can also be used for the hot peening of the tang.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 23:35:04 GMT
Well, the problem is heating would ruin the temper and I do not have the capablity to restore it.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 15, 2008 23:36:31 GMT
Well hammer the crap out of it and when you wanna call it a day, store it like in the photo and remove the weights and continue when ever you can.
It may work. For it is just a cheesy theory.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 15, 2008 23:39:47 GMT
If I were to stick a sofeter spring in fire, would this harden it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 23:54:25 GMT
Yes, you can heat steel in a fire. It's a little hard to get the temperature even, but it is doable.
At any rate luke, you'll have to anneal (heat it up) to work with it, other wise you'll be forever.
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Post by slav on Jan 16, 2008 0:13:43 GMT
It's called spring steel for a reason...because, when hardenend and tempered, it SPRINGS back to its original shape.
Thus you will have to anneal (un-temper) it. This will bring it back to a very soft state that can be bent, pounded, filed, shaped, etc. All blades are shaped when they are soft, and then quenched for hardness.
So, to anneal that sucker you will have to:
1. Heat it till it's bright red hot. 2. Let it air-cool. 3. When it has cooled, it will be pliable and workable.
After shaping the blade, re-harden and temper it like this:
1. Heat it till it's just above dull-red hot all over. 2. Quickly stick it in oil or warm water until it cools. 3. Put it in the oven over a bonfire at about 400 degrees for 1-2 hours, turning occasionally [like steak].
Just some simple, forge-deficient instructions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2008 0:18:28 GMT
If you want a better indicator of temperature then the colour, (sometimes it's hard to see) then get a little magnate on a (nonflammable) stick, and stick it to the metal all over every so often. When it doesn't stick, the steel is ready.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jan 16, 2008 0:21:00 GMT
www.livesteelarmor.com/how/warsword.htmlThey talk about it here. They say to lay it across an I beam and hit it with a sledge hammer. Hmmm. You sure there isn't a suspension manufacturing shop near you where you can buy annealed flat bar?
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Post by Dan Davis on Jan 16, 2008 0:23:20 GMT
No way in hell you are going to straighten that as long as it's in it's current heat treated state. You can "hammer the sh*t out of it" until hell freezes over and satan ice dances in the olympics and all you will do is hurt your arm.
You will have to anneal it and then reharden it later, followed by a good temper. There is no other way around it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2008 0:36:43 GMT
No way in hell you are going to straighten that as long as it's in it's current heat treated state. You can "hammer the sh*t out of it" until hell freezes over and satan ice dances in the olympics and all you will do is hurt your arm. You will have to anneal it and then reharden it later, followed by a good temper. There is no other way around it. Dan, I would just like to say, thank you for being on this forum. Your knowledgeable advice mixed with sarcastic witticisms never fails to make me smile.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2008 0:44:38 GMT
No way in hell you are going to straighten that as long as it's in it's current heat treated state. You can "hammer the sh*t out of it" until hell freezes over and satan ice dances in the olympics and all you will do is hurt your arm. You will have to anneal it and then reharden it later, followed by a good temper. There is no other way around it. Well, it has been done here: www.livesteelarmor.com/how/warsword.htmlSo it is possible to do it without heat, apparently.
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Post by slav on Jan 16, 2008 2:09:19 GMT
Go ahead and try, then. I'm curious to see what Satan looks like while ice-dancing, anyways.
But, in all seriousness, that method is not very conventional at all, and will produce less-than-amateur results, while taking more-than-amateur effort and time. IMHO.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 16, 2008 3:16:43 GMT
I can understand his desperate daniel. I have to do the same thing and also hope for an easier way. suggestions?
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Post by Dan Davis on Jan 16, 2008 4:04:42 GMT
No it is not. This method does not work. These guys clearly state on their website that they are using "antique steel from buggy springs that predate the Bessemer converter". That is another name for WROUGHT IRON which is NOT a modern steel leaf spring.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2008 4:43:56 GMT
If I were to stick a sofeter spring in fire, would this harden it? NO, it will soften it. Well hammer the crap out of it and when you wanna call it a day, store it like in the photo and remove the weights and continue when ever you can. It may work. No it won't work, not at all. ALl you would do is cause micro cracks all over, and worsen any cracks that are in it already from it's previous life as a spring.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2008 4:48:30 GMT
To answer the original poster. Build a big campfire, and once you have had it going for an hour or so insert the spring into the heart of the bed of coals, and then burn the fire for another hour or two(have some drinks, cook hot dogs), then let the fire go out on it's own overnight(safely of course). Next morning uncover it and bend it in a vice while cold, it should move very easily, or as easy as cold steel bends anyway. Then grind and find a way to reheat treat, we'll cover that when you get to that point. No it is not. This method does not work. These guys clearly state on their website that they are using "antique steel from buggy springs that predate the Bessemer converter". That is another name for WROUGHT IRON which is NOT a modern steel leaf spring. Haha priceless:D.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 16, 2008 4:53:08 GMT
Even though you weren't talking to me, but thanks!
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