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Post by blackngold on May 3, 2015 18:01:55 GMT
Shoot-- I didn't even know I was guilty of some serious thread necro! I just scrolled a few pages back in this sub-forum, found a topic that interested me, and replied. I'm guessing this sub-forum isn't the busiest, if a 4-year-old thread was only a couple of pages in...
Btw, has anyone commissioned a Korean sword with a Shobu Zukuri tip?
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on May 3, 2015 19:31:31 GMT
It's OK not much ever goes on it the other asian sword sub forum any ways.
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Post by randomnobody on May 3, 2015 22:17:19 GMT
There's unfortunately not a lot going on in the production world for "other Asian swords" as such. A few shamshir to represent "the middle east" and a couple talwar for "India" but not much else, and there's a LOT of culture and swords east of Europe and west of China. Even south of China... Philippine stuff is pretty common, but that's about it.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on May 4, 2015 4:14:12 GMT
I only know two of two Korean single-edged swords out there for sale since the demise of the Hanwei Korean cloud sword: 2011.zhiforge.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19_50&products_id=836www.martialartswords.com/signature-korean-swords-14/hwando.htmlThe MAS is rather expensive, and the Zhisword would be much better with a shobu zukuri or hira zukuri blade. Also, the Japanese-style wrapping on the hilt is uncommon on Korean swords. There are other "Korean" swords out there, by Munetoshi and MAS, but they have Japanese-style scabbards, rather than Korean-style scabbards (which are basically like Chinese dao scabbards, not Japanese scabbards). So, apart from the examples above, perhaps the best way to get an approximately Korean single-edged sword is to buy a tachi (i.e., a Japanese sword with a tachi scabbard), and strip off the stuff that isn't on Korean scabbards. Munetoshi used to do a Korean ring-pommel sword. In principle, a Chinese ring-pommel dao might make a good Three Kingdoms period Korean sword, but good luck finding a good one. Double-edged swords are easier; there are plenty of jian that would be quite adequate to represent Korean swords. Some antiques: www.arscives.com/historysteel/korean.swordlist.htm
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Post by madmandom on May 4, 2015 6:15:22 GMT
The kris cutlery korean sword is still available it's 1060 steel now' I've had one for a while now and its pretty tuff blade and a great company to deal with.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on May 4, 2015 6:51:08 GMT
Pity the Kris Cutlery one has a Japanese-style scabbard. Otherwise, would be good.
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Post by metinemre on Oct 30, 2015 9:31:15 GMT
Can anyone explain this with pictures? What type of bolt? ``Whereas a Japanese katana handle is fixed with two bamboo pins, a Korean jingum handle is fixed with a bamboo pin and a bolt. ``
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 9:42:17 GMT
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Oct 30, 2015 10:20:02 GMT
Can anyone explain this with pictures? What type of bolt? ``Whereas a Japanese katana handle is fixed with two bamboo pins, a Korean jingum handle is fixed with a bamboo pin and a bolt. `` I guess this means that they use one bamboo pin, and one metal pin (some of the Cheness swords are still advertised as "one wood, one brass"). Maybe it's common in modern Korean sword arts (e.g., Haidong Gumdo). Two bamboo pins is only the modern standard for katana; the historical standard is a single bamboo pin. Standard on historical examples is a single tubular rivet, which would usually have a tassel passing through it. See the examples on www.arscives.com/historysteel/korean.swordlist.htmWhether or not there's anything else holding the grip on, I don't know. The tubular rivet is the only visible thing. (Similar tubular rivets are also common on Chinese dao, but they're not always there, and sometimes there's a rivet hole with no rivet. Chinese dao are usually peened at the pommel, so they hold together without the rivet.) The Hanwei Korean Cloud Sword had good historically-accurate style. Pity it was discontinued.
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Post by whitefeathers on Oct 30, 2015 11:08:45 GMT
supposedly the "kashira" unscrews from the bolt they are talking about. I have two swords set up like this - one bamboo pin and the bolt at the end. I havent taken it apart to see because they say once you undo it , its hard to get it back to the same tightness again.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Oct 30, 2015 11:44:41 GMT
That's modern, rather than historical. A bamboo pin isn't historical; the historical equivalent to "bamboo pin + bolt" would be tubular rivet and peen at pommel (or maybe under the pommel).
(Tubular rivet or bamboo pin with nut at pommel end of grip, covered by pommel, is a pretty common modern construction for Chinese swords. It works. But it's modern.)
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Post by kalkikrosah on Oct 1, 2017 6:41:06 GMT
Gonna revive this one again. There really needs to be a wider market for Korean swords. Specifically AFFORDABLE Korean swords.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Oct 2, 2017 2:32:37 GMT
Agreed - the current pool of Korean reproduction swords are quite nice (though the pool is small) but I feel they're more Korean inspired than actually historical replicas. For example, I have the Kris Cutlery Korean sword (this one: kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=KRSKSV). It's an extremely nice sword, but I'd classify it as a Korean sword crossed with a katana rather than a true Korean sword. Hanwei seems to have made a nice reproduction: www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=SH2165
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Post by kalkikrosah on Oct 2, 2017 3:06:41 GMT
Agreed - the current pool of Korean reproduction swords are quite nice (though the pool is small) but I feel they're more Korean inspired than actually historical replicas. For example, I have the Kris Cutlery Korean sword (this one: kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=KRSKSV). It's an extremely nice sword, but I'd classify it as a Korean sword crossed with a katana rather than a true Korean sword. Hanwei seems to have made a nice reproduction: www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=SH2165I really like that Kris Cutlery one. I have a friend who I talk to about swords with off the boards. Not many people I know of really entertain my talk about swords but he does. But this friend of mine is Korean and has asked me if I came across any Korean swords. So I said that I did but that there really aren't many out there that aren't over $1000. He was pretty bummed when I told him that. But that Kris Cutlery sword looks nice and seems at least somewhat affordable. Too bad its discontinued.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Oct 2, 2017 4:25:05 GMT
I think you mean the Hanwei Korean Sword, right? The Kris Cutlery one isn't discontinued. Also, there were a couple different kinds of Korean swords. You had some that looked like Chinese dao: And some that looked more like Chinese jian: You've also got the kind that look something like katana: These last kind would be pretty easy to make: just get a hold of a katana reproduction and change a few parts out.
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