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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 10:31:05 GMT
So I'm almost done with my Practical Ninjato tsuka from CAS/Hanwei, so logically after the sanding and mekui holes are drilled, I need samegawa! I was wondering, after wetting it, and wrapping it around your tsuka and allowing it to dry and form fit, can I sew the samegawa with rawhide lace on one side to keep it snug to the tsuka? I know i'd have to sew it wet, especially the lace, but either way, once that's done (or not) what kind of paint should I use to color the samegawa black?
Also, I read somewhere that you convert inches into feet and add 3 for a length of ito to wrap the tsuka. Is this a good rule of thumb? I'm buying silk ito for it, so I want it done right! The tsuka is going to be amazing when I'm done, if I keep it, I'll be buying another identical-before-tsuka modifications practical ninjato, in case I ever destroy the blade, the tsuka is expensive to build too, especially if you decide to use an ebony block for it, 25$ before shipping for a pre-cut 1"x1"x12" ebony block sucks when 2x4's of oak are like 3 bucks... but ebony is by far and large my favorite hardwood for all things, and the excessive length will reall allow for some leverage while cutting...
Any help helps ya'll! Thanks and please or vice versa!
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Post by SanMarc on Mar 9, 2011 10:36:12 GMT
Leather Dye. Tandy leather should have what ya need.....Sanmarc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 10:58:53 GMT
hmm. I used to work at the tandy leather factory in Utah, but they sold simple paints, and I was just seeing if there were a more traditional, or special paint to use, but it cova-dye pro is all ya need, then bam, 5$ solution! Thanks man!
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Mar 9, 2011 12:51:25 GMT
i like to use lacquer, ive had good results with it
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Post by Elheru Aran on Mar 9, 2011 15:54:45 GMT
Same is technically a type of leather, I believe, so any leather dye should work fine for a permanent colour. Lacquer and paints will eventually rub off over time with handling.
Just wondering, isn't ebony an endangered species of wood, though?
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Post by frankthebunny on Mar 9, 2011 16:04:23 GMT
sewing the samegawa is not necessary, make sure to use strong glue (that does not expand) and make sure your fit is correct and when it dries and compresses you should have no need to sew.
since you're wrapping the tsuka core with samegawa, I'm not sure why you would want to pay more for ebony wood when you won't be able to see it afterward anyway but if it's just personal preference then go for it.
traditionally, black lacquer is used most often to color the same because it's thick and strong but you could also use dye although I'm not sure it would have much of a sheen to it when dry if that matters to you. you could also use a tough spray paint top coated with a few layers of clear lacquer/polyurethane to keep it from chipping.
make sure you use a raw samegawa hide for a full wrap and not a tanned hide because the tanned variety will not compress properly. and also make sure to sand off the little "hooks" on the nodes as they can shred the ito from underneath.
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Post by Elheru Aran on Mar 9, 2011 16:36:17 GMT
I wasn't sure if same was tanned or if it was technically a rawhide rather than a leather... I guess that answers my question, it can be both  Ebony is a particularly hard wood, IIRC, so that's probably why he wants to use it-- to make sure there's no chance of compressing the wood around the tang. I think it's overkill personally but hey it's his money... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2011 8:16:08 GMT
awesome! thank you for the input, I think I've got it sorted out now... Ebony Diospyrus ebenum is a naturally endangered wood, but it is also commercially grown. The funny thing about it is I just wanted to see how much it would affect the outcome of the sword. It is the 6th hardest wood in the world, it's black (my favorite), and resilient. It also has... "other" properties about it that i'll keep to myself here in the peanut gallery, but yes, it's very expensive. But the funny thing to me is that the Ito will cost more, the samegawa will cost more, the tsuba will cost more, and so will the furniture and the horn components will cost more. The ebony, at this point, is the cheapest part of the project!
same (samegawa?) is rawhide, and as such, I cannot use the traditional leather dyes that I use, because they are alcohol based and could potentially ruin the rawhide. Lacquer it is, and I was unaware that you glue the rawhide to the tsuka, that makes a lot more sense than just a free-floating piece of rawhide wrapped in ito!
Once again, I appreciate all of you and your insight, my question is answered, and I have my course of action!
And I will make sure to sand the skin, silk ito is not cheap! Thanks for the tip!
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Mar 11, 2011 12:19:37 GMT
yeah man you have to glue it down lol. unless you use pannels, then you dont necessarilly have to
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