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Post by Larry Jordan on Mar 5, 2011 2:41:53 GMT
Chris Upchurch (Suarez International) writes: "Many of us like to keep a trunk rifle (or truck rifle, depending on what you drive) in our vehicle. It’s nice to have access to a long gun, just in case. In case of what, though? Recently I’ve seen people discussing scenarios for using their trunk gun that I just don’t think are very practical. "One of the more outlandish ones is the idea of a trunk rifle to disable a pursuing vehicle. When you’re behind the wheel of a car, you’re at the controls of a 2000+ pound projectile and a conveyance that can take you away from danger at high speeds. As long as your vehicle is mobile, there’s little reason to divert your attention to launching half ounce pieces of lead. The accelerator pedal is a better choice than going for a gun in most cases. However, there are times when you may need to use a firearm from your vehicle. If you are attacked while stuck in traffic, for example. In these cases you need a weapon immediately at hand and that is handy enough to easily maneuver inside the passenger compartment. This is the realm of the pistol, not the rifle. Perhaps the most common vision for the trunk rifle is the idea that during an active shooter incident or terrorist attack you will rush out to your car and retrieve your rifle, then come back with guns blazing to take out the attackers. ..." The rest of the article can be found here. I have not chosen a tactical carbine for my trunk rifle. From time to time I visit California to see relations, so an AR15, AK47/74 are out of the question (and we're on good terms). My inspiration has been Atticus Finch, when he took down that rabid dog in "To Kill a Mockingbird": My trunk rifle (next to my trunk "sword") is a scoped Remington Model 7 in .243Win: The 20" barreled action has found a new home in an HS-Precision stock, all metal refinished and sports a Leupold 3-9x33mm compact scope. It's a joy to carry in the field and performs adequately, if ultra long distances are not expected (>500 yards). Ten rounds in the butt-cuff and twenty more in the case-pocket. Ear plugs. I am curious what others lug around in this role. Care to share?
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Mar 5, 2011 3:44:18 GMT
I don't have a trunk gun because I don't have a car (can't drive and I won't be 21 for another 2 months anyways), but if I did, my choice in a carbine would most likely be the FN Herstal PS90 with an SBR conversion (gets rid of that annoying 16" barrel), as well as a picatinny rail in place of iron sights: I'd fix a red dot sight onto it (haven't shot with one, but I've seen through them and they're much easier to get a sighting picture with), but the main reason I would choose it is its bullpup configuration, making it smaller overall so it takes up less space, other shooters I've talked to or heard their comments on it (mostly people who show it in action on youtube) remark that it has very little recoil making it relatively easy for a follow-up shot. Although they don't come with it standard for a civilian buyer, you can purchase 50-round mags for it, which I think is certainly high capacity enough for just about any use; ammo can be purchased in bulk quantities of up to 2000 rounds. It also has a very easy breakdown to make maintenance a rather headache free task for the novice shooter (of which I most definitely qualify as). All in all, I think as long as you weren't planning on using it as a hunting gun, it'd probably serve in just about any role you could find for it, though I know someone more experienced than I could point out just which roles would be best. Hopefully, I'll be able to get to the range one day and shoot one.
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Post by chuckinohio on Mar 5, 2011 12:09:02 GMT
I use a rifle that I acquired awhile back at a gun show as my "behind the seat truck rifle". A Colombian contract FN Model 1924/30 cavalry carbine in 30-06 like this one- Lots of punch in a small package, at the expense of a fairly thunderous report. As a bonus, it absolutely thrives on Winchester 150gr silvertips.
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Post by sam salvati on Mar 5, 2011 21:01:06 GMT
It'd be nice NOT to have this degrade into fantasy thread, and actually see what people have been or are currently carrying as a trunk rifle.
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Post by templar on Mar 5, 2011 21:51:00 GMT
SKS Paratrooper (pre-ban, of course-that still can make a difference). Compact, dependable, plenty of firepower, not too expensive. Also, lots of different, legal (here anyway), ammo available; FMJ, HP, AP, tracer, incendiary; all on strippers, alone or in various combos.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Mar 5, 2011 23:18:26 GMT
Call it future plans, then. If I have my way, I'll have one in my trunk when I have a car of my own.
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Post by Larry Jordan on Mar 6, 2011 0:12:53 GMT
An SKS would be a great choice. I owned a Russian SKS in the early 90's, but sold it (bad timing)--California "friendly" and quick to reload when one needs to possibly engage large numbers of rioters.
I am trying to recall California state law w.r.t. to transporting firearms. If I recall correctly there is some nonsense about the driver being either on his way to a hunt, shooting range or other "approved" activity, or on the flip side coming home from the same. If I'm travelling interstate I'm on my way to visit relations to enjoy some recreational shooting when I get there--that's the truth. Let 'em prove otherwise. That's California, not sure what strictures other states might impose on someone who wants to keep a trunk/truck rifle available just in case a No. Hollywood shootout or Race Riot breaks out. Been there.
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Post by Major, Cory J on Mar 6, 2011 0:44:32 GMT
Well, since in Canada, I don't really have the need or desire to drive around with a gun at all times. But when I do (driving for long trips through the country, just in case ) its usually my SKS Gonna mod it out soon too to look like this. Just without the scope, gonna go for a red dot or just irons
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Post by Larry Jordan on Mar 6, 2011 2:33:33 GMT
Gorgeous rifle.
I think any of the tried and true bolt-action military pattern rifles with open sights would make great trunk rifles.
My eyesight isn't what it used to be. I need a sighting aid of some type--red dot, scout scope, or low power fixed.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Mar 6, 2011 2:36:33 GMT
Not an actual pic of mine, mine is way more awesome...but this is the go to catch all gun. close range long range zombies ninjas nazis terrorists bankrobbers.....hell even Godzilla. this is my equalizer. i got 40 round mags with mine. coincidentally this is also the gun my bug out bag is geared for as well. And my sidearm is a Glock model 21. but that stays on my holster rig on the coat rack for quick access Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Post by padric101 on Mar 6, 2011 2:46:33 GMT
Savage .22 over a 20ga.
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Post by Larry Jordan on Mar 6, 2011 16:20:28 GMT
Maybe you should change your signature to "aliquando non paratus [est]".
Since I cannot predict when I'll need it or not need it, "semper paratus est".
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Post by templar on Mar 6, 2011 17:30:33 GMT
Larry: being Sunday, I'll give you a big AMEN to that. Saito: no offence intended, but carrying an AK, AR or the like is just asking for law trouble if you are stopped; maybe it should not be that way, but it is what it is. I have more than one of both and of other, so called, "assault rifles" (NOT-must be select fire) but I'll not be carrying any on a daily basis. Just my .02
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Mar 6, 2011 17:54:04 GMT
im not sure where you live, but where i live its never been an issue. i always keep the ammunition separately from the gun (ammo in the glove box, rifle cased and secured in trunk" according to state and local laws where i live, ive been pulled over a few times and never been questioned or searched but i spoke with several local deputy sheriffs and the chief of police and they said there's no reason i cant carry it in my vehicle 24/7 as long as i do so following the procedure set by law, which includes NOT BEING ON SCHOOL GROUNDS OR STATE PROPERTY. now, if they found an AK-47 locked and loaded in the trunk, prepare for trouble!
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Post by Major, Cory J on Mar 6, 2011 18:10:49 GMT
I said I rarely have the need to carry a GUN around at all times. This doesn't mean I am not prepared though, I have just about every thing else in the back of my car including a couple of big blades. Laws are a little bit more strict (IMHO, THANK GOD!) then down there in the U.S of A. I also live in a city.
so changing my Family Quote to "aliquando non paratus"... don't think so....
Being "ready" doesn't mean, "Must be carrying a FIREARM".
Thanks for the "joke" though...
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Mar 6, 2011 19:13:56 GMT
i have to agree on you that you dont HAVE to have a GUN to be prepared. but it doesnt hurt having one either thank god for America and freedom.
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Post by templar on Mar 6, 2011 19:44:22 GMT
Saito: Well said! On the prvious subject, I would not have a problem around here either, but I'm not always around here. In some places a trunk rifle will raise an eyebrow, but an AK (which I agree is a great weapon , I had enough of them spitting lead at me) will freak out some cops in many places; particularly state cops. My comments are not necessarily intended for those who are well versed in travel with firearms, but for those who are new to it.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Mar 6, 2011 20:30:07 GMT
i wouldn't suggest using one under circumstances that differ from mine. people unfairly stigmatize any semiautomatic rifle as a cop-killing schoolyard slaughtering carnage fest gun. I bet if you came across a guy who was massacring the local law enforcement in a standoff and a civilian pulled out their trunk gun and blew his ass away the media would criminalize him and condemn him as a "crazy redneck with an itchy trigger finger" regardless of how many lives it saved. Thats if the cops didn't turn on him and kill him first. I reserve my trunk gun for a massive semprini HITS THE FAN emergency. Invasion/ apocalyptic semprini. In most other situations, its really not needed. Maybe a good hand gun. but by no means an AK47 or sniper rifle
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Post by Bogus on Mar 6, 2011 22:05:55 GMT
There's actually been some cases where cops were outgunned and a civilian came to the rescue. My first thought when reading this thread was something along the lines of "hey, this might be useful if someone got caught in the crossfire in another North Hollywood thing." Not recently, though, and yes it was before the press decided that all nonviolent people with guns are evil psychopathic murders-in-waiting and all violent peole with guns are misunderstood/oppressed/just need to be loved more. :roll:
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Post by Larry Jordan on Mar 6, 2011 22:17:04 GMT
Bogus, it was precisely the No. Hollywood Shootout that convinced me of the necessity of carrying a long gun.
I remember seeing video footage from camera men (less than 100 yards distance from the shooters) where, had they been armed with a simple center fire long gun, could have put and end to that madness. Instead, LA cops armed with shotguns had to acquire ARs from B&B Guns in order to address the threats. (I believe the Feds later went after B&B Guns for questionable transfers these weapons. No good deed goes unpunished.)
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