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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2007 6:46:07 GMT
Excluding Cobalt, Titanium, and other non-reasonable but theoretically possible in the near/distant future alloys, what material would you have your dream sword made of?
This would be YOUR sword, one and only. Like Aragorn and his Anduril, Arthur and his Excalibur...this would be THE sword you'd ever want or need. What material?
Here are some options:
5160 is really nice and super popular. Amazingly tough and resilient. Atrims are made from this.
52100 is like 5160 with attitude. Harder to temper, more expensive, but everything 5160 does, this does better.
6150 is a good steel too, a lot of Del Tins and Arms and Armor swords are made from this.
9260 the famous Cheness katana steel.
Tamahagane the legendary japanese sand-steel from which nihonto were made.
L6(bainite) Howard Clark's L6 katanas are AMAZING. Like uber Cheness swords. This is due to his developed heat treatment process.
s-7 A shock-resistant tool steel. Angel Swords have a line made from this. The smith there has a special heat treat process for it similar to Howard Clark and L6. They're supposed to be much tougher at higher hardnesses- good flex at RC 57. Similar Makeup to 9260. Interesting that he uses this instead of s-5.(s-7 has less silicon, less carbon, no vanadium, and also has some chromium in it)
Pattern Weld: If you choose this steel, specify what different alloys comprise the composite, as well as pattern.
I'd like a pattern Weld of different bars of S-5. The pattern would be very faint as the different bars would be near identical(but due to variances there'd still be a pattern). I'd use only s-5 bars as they'd all harden and temper the same which would make for a consistent and predictable strength and hardness. I'd like my fantasy kukri(see the Fantasy sword competition for the drawing) made from this. For reference, S-5 is like like 9260 but with some Molybdenum(for wear-resistance) and vanadium(impact strength) in it. Still has the manganese and silicon content similar to 9260, with .5-.65 carbon content. I wish I could see some blades made out of this steel, as theoretically, it'd be amazing. I'd like the patter to be a celtic-knot like design with a fiery-wave like pattern outlining the edge. It'd be differentially tempered with an RC58 or so edge(including the back edge near the tip) with an RC 50 or so spine and center.
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Post by leezoo on Jan 24, 2007 22:38:07 GMT
I always wanted to have a sword blade made with the iron ore from a metorite obviously not from this planet. OK maybe it's a bit fantasy but it is possible. Besides probably getting a great blade out of it the wonderment of what part of the universe it came from, how old it is and being sure it's one of a kind draws me to seriously wanting a sword made.I wonder how much cash we a dealing with for one.
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Jan 24, 2007 22:56:36 GMT
I always wanted to have a sword blade made with the iron ore from a metorite obviously not from this planet. OK maybe it's a bit fantasy but it is possible. Besides probably getting a great blade out of it the wonderment of what part of the universe it came from, how old it is and being sure it's one of a kind draws me to seriously wanting a sword made.I wonder how much cash we a dealing with for one. A lot of Keris were made from meteoric ore
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Post by rammstein on Jan 24, 2007 23:06:11 GMT
Anyone here read the Redwall series by Brian Jacques? If so, remember that martin the warrior's famous sword was made from a "fallen star" by the badger load Boar the Fighter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2007 4:29:46 GMT
I'd like to try a western sword made of 9260. From my rather limited reading, it appears that 5160 and 9260 are both used in automotive suspension springs and other areas where fatique resistance under continuous flexing is required, with 9260 taking the advantage due to it's silicon and manganese content. I'm not a metallurgist, so I don't know why, but these elements improve fatigue resistance significantly.
Any steel that can flex for 30,000 miles under a truck before sagging out should certainly make a decent sword. ;D (This seems to be proving out in some of the Cheness 9260 torture tests we've seen.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2007 4:57:17 GMT
Damascus, but not ordinary damascus. A damascus mix of D2, L6, 10100, and just a small touch of 5160. Maybe a bit of tamahagane thrown in too, for good SOUL.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2007 4:59:40 GMT
Anyone here read the Redwall series by Brian Jacques? If so, remember that martin the warrior's famous sword was made from a "fallen star" by the badger load Boar the Fighter. Oh yeah I have the whole collection and am eagerly awaiting his next:D.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2007 5:02:49 GMT
I always wanted to have a sword blade made with the iron ore from a metorite obviously not from this planet. OK maybe it's a bit fantasy but it is possible. Besides probably getting a great blade out of it the wonderment of what part of the universe it came from, how old it is and being sure it's one of a kind draws me to seriously wanting a sword made.I wonder how much cash we a dealing with for one. You want one? www.atar.com
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Jan 25, 2007 5:31:29 GMT
I'd like to try a western sword made of 9260. From my rather limited reading, it appears that 5160 and 9260 are both used in automotive suspension springs and other areas where fatique resistance under continuous flexing is required, with 9260 taking the advantage due to it's silicon and manganese content. I'm not a metallurgist, so I don't know why, but these elements improve fatigue resistance significantly. Any steel that can flex for 30,000 miles under a truck before sagging out should certainly make a decent sword. ;D (This seems to be proving out in some of the Cheness 9260 torture tests we've seen.) Well , 9260 is a tricky business.You see, the Si inhibits carbon migration from the hot area to cooler areas...thus making it able to be hardened more than say,1050. Dealing with western swords where we have through hardening , this isn't that much of an advantage. Silicon also has an effect of promoting surface decarburazation, thus shortening fatigue life expectancy.This is especially true in the forging process. So silicon helps a steel get harder , not tougher. Chromium prevents decarburazation , and vandium helps with tensile strength. Whether 1050 , 5160 , 9260,L6, or W2 the proper heat treat is the trick, and everything is a trade off. Lower carbon=tougher blades...higher carbon= harder blades...silicon addition in theory can make a harder, tougher steel, but we lose a bit in the application.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2007 23:12:16 GMT
I think I would want the various alloys that made specific swords legendary for specific reasons (if Im making sense:)) and throw them all together into a billet. I can then have a sword that will have specific properties in its structure to shoot massive shockwaves to rend mountains of their tops, like the Caladbolg but seriously I would like to have modern day supersteels ( fill in the blank) fused together by means of a historically proven superior san mai (because there are many different sword school san mai techniques)and have the blade heat treated by howard clark and daniel watson.
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Jan 25, 2007 23:37:55 GMT
I like 1086.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2007 3:56:51 GMT
I was just reading up on properties of steel and found the following very technical reason as to why the Silicon in 9260 is good for the cheness blades.
Silicon REDUCES ductility, which is defined as the ability to be PLASTICALLY DEFORMED, i.e. bent and set. As a consequence of this reduction of ductility, the blade at tough and strong hardnesses(mid RC 50s) would therefore have a high ability to be ELASTICALLY DEFORMED, i.e. bent while still returning to true. Had the steel retained it's ductility, such bends would permanently set the blade.
Whoo-HA!
(forgive me if this is fairly obvious to all of you. I personally find a lot of pleasures in the 'hows' and 'whys' of the universe. I was never satisfied with 'Silicon makes cheness swords better. I wanted to know WHY. And now I do.)
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Jan 26, 2007 4:23:25 GMT
I was just reading up on properties of steel and found the following very technical reason as to why the Silicon in 9260 is good for the cheness blades. Silicon REDUCES ductility, which is defined as the ability to be PLASTICALLY DEFORMED, i.e. bent and set. As a consequence of this reduction of ductility, the blade at tough and strong hardnesses(mid RC 50s) would therefore have a high ability to be ELASTICALLY DEFORMED, i.e. bent while still returning to true. Had the steel retained it's ductility, such bends would permanently set the blade. Whoo-HA! (forgive me if this is fairly obvious to all of you. I personally find a lot of pleasures in the 'hows' and 'whys' of the universe. I was never satisfied with 'Silicon makes cheness swords better. I wanted to know WHY. And now I do.) Yes ductility is the ability to become plastically deformed without fracturing. The opposite of ductile is brittle..... Ductile is a nice property for a sword to have...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2007 4:37:23 GMT
Okay, now this is making more sense to me. Thanks for the additional info, guys. I wish I had the time to sit and read volume after volume on metallurgy (heck, even take a class or two), since I find this stuff endlessly fascinating. As it is, I know just enough to be dangerous.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2007 15:42:11 GMT
I was just reading up on properties of steel and found the following very technical reason as to why the Silicon in 9260 is good for the cheness blades. Silicon REDUCES ductility, which is defined as the ability to be PLASTICALLY DEFORMED, i.e. bent and set. As a consequence of this reduction of ductility, the blade at tough and strong hardnesses(mid RC 50s) would therefore have a high ability to be ELASTICALLY DEFORMED, i.e. bent while still returning to true. Had the steel retained it's ductility, such bends would permanently set the blade. Whoo-HA! (forgive me if this is fairly obvious to all of you. I personally find a lot of pleasures in the 'hows' and 'whys' of the universe. I was never satisfied with 'Silicon makes cheness swords better. I wanted to know WHY. And now I do.) It also makes blade steels like 5160 a semprini to forge.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2007 19:14:25 GMT
My dream material would:
Never break or bend Have some flexibility Never dull Never rust Never tarnish Never stain Cut through anything, like a lightsaber Make a cut so sharp and clean that the item wouldn't even look like it was cut (like those anime swords that cut through things and leave them whole until someone taps it) Wouldn't require you to focus on a "sweet-spot", you'd be able to cut with any part of the blade equally well Hold a beautiful polish forever, or possibly be slightly transparent so it looked like glass...
Those are just some of the things it would do. I'd call it "Krimsteel".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2007 20:13:28 GMT
Well I was going for something real world initially...but then again, who wouldn't want all that in a sword?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2007 20:15:06 GMT
Well I was going for something real world initially...but then again, who wouldn't want all that in a sword? I knew you were going for real world. I was just being silly. L.
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Post by rammstein on Mar 11, 2007 2:24:32 GMT
I'd like a type XI with slightly tapering edges so it isn't perfectly straight made from 6150 steel. I'd also want it to have a nice thin, rounded crossgaurd with trumpeted ends. The hilt would be single handed, DARK purple leather with black tints, and have a shining grip ring that allows just enough room for my hand on the top with a 1 inch gap of the handle between the grip ring and the pommel, which will be a bold, large, cohcked hat variety.
in ascii, this is what I mean by the hilt:
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