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Post by Johan Elder on Feb 14, 2011 1:53:50 GMT
Figured I could add my .02$ here...
That leaf blade has some real nice curves on it, in fact its all curves ... that pommel should be curved too, not a straight taper like you have shown now.
Something like the Albion Mercenary or Constable, or the Castellan.
hhmmmmm .. in Oakeshott's typology pommel type T5 or V1 maybe?
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Post by Hiroshi on Feb 14, 2011 3:52:16 GMT
good point!
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Post by Hiroshi on Feb 15, 2011 1:31:58 GMT
Went with a "leaf" pommel. and included a side view, what I can only assume would be a nice distal tapper.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Feb 15, 2011 1:42:41 GMT
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Post by Tendrax on Feb 15, 2011 2:09:42 GMT
Someone needs to get Brenden to make this blade. I'm dying to see it steel.
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Post by Johan Elder on Feb 15, 2011 3:09:11 GMT
Very nice!!
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Post by armchairwarrior on Feb 15, 2011 3:41:22 GMT
Tuition hikes or not, I must have one!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2011 7:29:03 GMT
From a purely engineering viewpoint, I see a real challenge in achieving that perfect distal taper considering the very difficult transition from the fuller fade-out to the ridged tip. If the fuller was slightly cupped at the transition, it would be sensational. It CAN be done, but the swordsmith that achieves this would need to be a real artist. If this sword ever becomes a reality, Hiroshi, I want you to contact me. +1 for a beautiful design
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Post by Hiroshi on Feb 16, 2011 7:33:04 GMT
I don't believe this would that challenging if done with a cnc milling machine. given it was programmed correctly. I think the hardest part would be making it handle correctly, like I said, the distal taper is merely a guess on my part as I dont really have any experience with western swords.
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Post by Aaron on Feb 16, 2011 11:31:46 GMT
The pommel doesn't have much mass to counter that blade IMO. The general aesthetic of it, though, is wonderful. Great job, Hiroshi.
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Post by Tendrax on Feb 16, 2011 11:41:59 GMT
I kinda borked the aesthetics, but: That better? I could see a longer leaf working really well, as opposed to just larger like I just PS'd it. [EDIT: How about this? Yay for Randomly deciding to Photoshop other people's deigns at 6:45 in the morning cause you've been up all night for no good reason! I'm going to bed now....]
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Post by Elheru Aran on Feb 16, 2011 16:14:50 GMT
This may be interesting. Bjorn Hellqvist interviewed Peter Lyon and John Howe back around when Fellowship of the Ring came out, and Peter commented on Glamdring. Full interview at: bjorn.foxtail.nu/a_lotrinter.htm if anybody is interested. Hope that offers a possible solution to the difficulties of working out that leaf-shape in metal. Lyon made all the 'hero' swords as *actual* weapons, so obviously it worked, even if they didn't actually cut or anything.
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Post by Johan Elder on Feb 16, 2011 16:37:57 GMT
[EDIT: How about this? Yay for Randomly deciding to Photoshop other people's deigns at 6:45 in the morning cause you've been up all night for no good reason! I'm going to bed now....][/quote] I like that one, with the longer leaf on it.
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Post by Aaron on Feb 16, 2011 17:50:49 GMT
Eh I should have clarified. The pommel tapers too much from the side, it's just too thin IMO. A more traditional scentstopper would fix the problem, but would ruin the aesthetics that Hiroshi has settled on, though it would still be a very good looking sword.
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Post by Johan Elder on Feb 16, 2011 18:40:01 GMT
The longer leaf pommel could be made thicker .. might be enough to balance it .. still would look balanced..
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Post by ShooterMike on Feb 16, 2011 20:58:54 GMT
You guys are aware that Gus already make a blade almost exactly like this, sans the fuller?
I have the one that used to be on the old ASA Swordworks website. It was called the MS2103.
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Post by Tendrax on Feb 16, 2011 21:57:20 GMT
This? Similar, sure. Hardly the same, the hilt is totally different aesthetically and the shape of the blade is a lot more pronounced. But hey you could give us some insight. How's it handle? I dunno, doesn't look much thinner than like the wheel pommel on H/T Bastard to me. that could work too. Here guys, I'm done screwing with it now. Made the pommel extra long, and a little thicker.
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Post by ShooterMike on Feb 16, 2011 22:24:33 GMT
I said "blade", not "sword". And yeah, there's much more pronounced curves. But I actually didn't like the hugely sweeping curves so I reground the blade on mine to actually match a lot more closely to what Hiroshi drew. So that's what really made me think of it.
The handling pre-grinddown was pretty heavy toward the tip. I changed to a heavier pommel and had OK results. but after going back to the original light pommel and taking a bit of blade mass out of the heaviest part of the blade, the handling is pretty sweet. And it cuts everything.
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Post by TomK on Feb 17, 2011 1:51:22 GMT
one thing to remember about pommels is that less is usually more. sticking a heavy pommel on the back side of the hilt is not the way to fix handling issues. a good sword should handle pretty good even without the pommel on it. distal and profile tapering of the blade is how the handling should be controlled. I am very certain Gus could make a blade like this and have it be a wonderful blade. he could do the cross too, but I don't know if he could do the pommel. if he could it would be expensive. I'd love to see one of these made but I just don't see us being able to do it any time real soon. maybe eventually, but not now for sure.
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Post by Aaron on Feb 17, 2011 5:22:40 GMT
The H/T also has FAR less blade mass to counter. You're comparing apples to oranges.
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