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Post by sam salvati on Feb 2, 2011 3:51:52 GMT
I went and got em out, they both line up with my face in the same position, stock tucked right into the cheek hollow under my cheekbone?
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Post by ShooterMike on Feb 2, 2011 17:28:40 GMT
Huh. Maybe they've changed the comb height on 10/22s? They used to be very high. But if they are the same as an 870...maybe Ruger listened? Cool for you, in any case.
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Post by deejay on Feb 2, 2011 21:22:05 GMT
Man-you guys in the states are so lucky.If I did mods like shown here on anything I own and got caught with it I'd be screwed.I was looking for an AR7 to take camping and was told rather bluntly that they are illegal here in canada-still checking into it but they probubly are-really sucks up here with the heavy restrictions.
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Post by Sam H on Feb 2, 2011 21:35:25 GMT
An AR-7 is illegal in Canada? I wonder why that would be? How is a semi-auto 10 shot mag fed .22lr rifle illegal? Ah well I don't quite understand but hey I don't know the laws up there.
For camping purposes though you could probably get away with a marlin .22lr or something right? Looks more like a traditional rifle and still has a tube magazine that holds 14 rounds (or did they change that now?).
You can also find several brands and models of bolt action .22lr rifles out there (for between $100 and $200 US) where the barrel and can be taken off and replaced with a .410ga shotgun barrel. Its only single shot break action and most of them are in youth sizes but can still be fired by an adult. They're small and light and very portable. Great for camping in the great white northern expanse where you might have to shoot the occasional squirrel or rabbit for dinner. The .410ga is good for hunting small birds too.
Anyway while I have many issues with the current state of affairs in this country I still love it here and wouldn't move out unless we got invaded - and even then I'd rather take up arms to defend our soil than flee.
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Post by Major, Cory J on Feb 2, 2011 23:14:48 GMT
The AR-7 is "illegal" as it is a 10 round magazine fed (Which I am pretty sure is a restricted firearm and not completely illegal as you can get smaller mags for it I would assume)semi auto (max in Canada is a 5 round for semi autos) and the barrel length is too short and can be concealed easily. Also unless your in a designated season for something you can legally hunt with a 22.LR your not really supposed to go camping with a rifle. Also you can't even use the 22.LR to hunt some things (partridge for one) below the Madawaska River. Maybe whoever told DeeJay confused the AR-7 with one of the many other AR-whatever firearms that are Prohibited. And DeeJay, you can modify you guns as long as the base gun is a legal one that you have the proper license for, "my" hunting rifle is a Russian SKS which has been modified too look like this, but in black. Its a special 5 round pinned mag for that gun, so its legal. Mine also has the bayonet still on it. Man you can sure turn the gamewardens head when you get "caught" with this. He looked it over, saw my paperwork and asked where I got the mods, and wished me a "good hunt".
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Post by deejay on Feb 2, 2011 23:53:47 GMT
Thanks to the quick reply Major,I was told that there are certain requirements to own one-strictly for survival situations-bushpilots and such.When I say camping,it is more like a survival outing-a long hike into the bush with no one around for hundreds of miles and carrying very little with me.People who have gone with me on one of these have never gone a second time.Canadas gun laws suck.
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Post by Sam H on Feb 3, 2011 20:48:51 GMT
Further research regarding the AR-7 shows that it is an auto loading rifle with the capability to hold more than 5 rounds in its non internal magazine. Its barrel length is also only 16". It can also be dismantled and stowed away to a length of only 16.5" overall.
The fact that it has the ability to accept 10, 15, 25 and 50rd mags and is a semi-auto rifle would make this firearm prohibited according to Canadian law IF the gun were a center-fire gun. It is in fact not a center fire gun. It is a rim fire rifle. Rim fire magazines are exempt for the capacity maximum (at least how I read the law).
The barrel length is only 16" and IF it had been altered an any way would be classified as a prohibited firearm due to the length. However it is manufactured to the length of 16" and as such is considered only restricted (again according to how I read the law).
Stowage overall length of only 16.5" shouldn't do anything to its legality since it cannot be fired in stowage configuration. If it could be fired in that configuration it would make it prohibited. Of course there's the idea that one could just pull out the receiver, load up a mag, and squeeze the trigger for a very short range firearm - which might then make it prohibited.
Designation of AR-7 as its nomenclature does not make it prohibited (albeit most rifles bearing the AR designation are considered prohibited in Canada) and as how I read the law it is not prohibited or restricted just by name.
Therefore I'd say the AR-7 is considered a restricted firearm in Canada - and one CAN get a license to purchase and possess an AR-7 in Canada. Possession of such a rifle without either a Possession Only License or a Possession and Acquisition License along with the Restricted Firearms Class endorsement could result in problems with the law.
So then go get your PAL and endorsement - then go get the rifle and you're good! As for tromping around the woods in Canada with a gun - I wouldn't go in the deep woods without a firearm (and never do) but since its illegal in Canada to do so its entirely up to you to decide if you want to break that law. Personally I'd favor my personal safety over the integrity of a law in the deep woods...
On a side note - mace and pepper spray is prohibited in Canada as are stun guns and tasers. Bear spray is however legal if and ONLY if used to defend yourself against vicious animals (which in Canada does not include people). So if you're hiking in the woods and are attacked by vicious wildlife you can legally defend yourself with bear spray (pepper spray on steroids) but if you're attacked by vicious people and you defend yourself with said bear spray there is no claim of "Self Defense." Suffice it to be said - "Go directly to jail, do not pass go and do not collect $200."
No offense but I'm glad I don't live up there. :shock:
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Post by deejay on Feb 3, 2011 21:09:37 GMT
Thanks for the further clarification and no offense taken.Told my wife years ago that if we ever win the big one-we'll be moving south to a state that has the "castle law" in effect.Surprisingly just the other day she stated that it would be good to get outa here since everything is going to hell in a handbasket here.
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Post by Sam H on Feb 3, 2011 21:19:46 GMT
Well the state I live in is looking at finally adopting a "Castle Law" albeit its a very watered down version but at least its a start... and umm for other benefits we have lots of cows here... Oh yeah and the Packers too. Anyway laws aside I don't like cold. I'm only living here and not further south because of my wife. If she weren't insisting we stayed here I'd head south (like Texas).
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Post by Major, Cory J on Feb 3, 2011 22:31:48 GMT
Just remember Sam H- Our gun laws (and personal defense weapon laws) may be alot more strict up here, but we also have alot less gun related crimes and I am all for that. Its all a matter of personal taste, as for me, other then not liking the specific town I am in, I wouldn't trade my home nation for all the "battle ready" swords in the world!
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Post by Sam H on Feb 3, 2011 23:03:51 GMT
Major,
I'm not going to get into much more of a discussion about gun laws than this because that'll start to work its way into the whole "no politics" area of the rules so to stay safe I'll have to just say that it is each to their own. I will say that I am quite happy to be in the USA and while I wasn't born here (vietnam war refugee) I am proud to live here and be a member of its society.
Honestly if someone offered me all the guns, ammunition and swords I wanted to leave this country I wouldn't do so. As much as you love your home nation, this is my home nation now and I love it too.
All that aside, I wanted to comment about your SKS Major. It looks really nice! I used to have a ChiCom SKS (by Norinco if I remember correctly) but after not being able to find any reliable hi-cap mags for and not being able to get a good solid scope mount for the thing (that'll hold zero) I got rid of it. I regret it to this day - chrome lined bore, heavier barrel than the normal European SKS and it handled beautifully rapid fire. If I had been able to do to that SKS what you did to yours I don't think I'd have ever sold it. Ah well that's life.
Speaking of hi-cap mags, the state I live in doesn't regulate max number of rounds for hunting in rifles. As such I go deer hunting with a BWK-92 (Chinese AK chambered in 5.56NATO) 30 rd mag in - loaded up with ballistic point .223 REM loaded to +10% pressure (hand loaded by a friend of mine) and another 30 rd mag loaded with the same in my vest pocket. Its rather amusing the looks I get from other hunters when they see my loadout. Its even more amusing when the anti's come to protest and one time they ran into me - freaked out and called the sheriff because they thought my loadout was illegal. lol - the looks on their faces were priceless when the sheriff and the DNR agent showed up and after inspecting my gear told them it was perfectly legal - and then were all issued citations for trespassing because they were on private property without permission. :lol:
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Post by Major, Cory J on Feb 3, 2011 23:13:38 GMT
LOL that will teach those Anti's! Wasn't meaning to get to any political point btw, just another point of view, which I think you understand well. And thanks for the compliment on my rifle, it is a beauty once I get my PAL I will be "buying" it from my father in law and it will be with me in my house! I am also working on getting a deactivated one as well, so I can mod it out and hang it on my wall (which we can't do with a "live" rifle legally, gotta be locked and stored away.).
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Post by Sam H on Feb 4, 2011 1:44:15 GMT
Ah such a shame - a firearm that's been rendered non-firing. Its a sad thing when that happens - its kind of like an angel dies every time a gun is rendered unable to be fired. :?
I understood what you meant Major. Its just that any further discussion might be construed as becoming political so we'll just have to behave.
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