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Post by jhart06 on Oct 4, 2011 4:28:06 GMT
Id say match the grip, the red on red makes for a very striking and strong visual statement. maybe add grey to the suspension though.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 4, 2011 5:21:31 GMT
Well, if I go with the red on red, I'd go with grey for the suspension, the same way I'd go with red for the suspension if I went with grey for the sheath. Matching the grip would probably be the best thing, since I intend to match Ithin's scabbard to its grip and these are brother swords, after a fashion. Off topic, I'm nearly done with the shobu-zukuri sidesword; I just have to add in the gradients. EDIT: And here it is... I went with a very simple sidesword after attempting unsuccessfully to recreate the gorgeous hilt on Nathan Robinson's Phoenix Metal Floral Side Sword. That thing would be unadulterated beauty combined with the lines of a shobu-zukuri blade... Sadly, my skills aren't that good. So, here we have a simple hilt with two finger rings and a knucklebow; the pommel, however, was inspired by Nathan's PMC Side Sword. I'm afraid I couldn't quite get it to look more rounded. Anyways, my gripes aside, the blade is 27" long, the grip is 3" long (I figured more space wouldn't be quite as necessary with the ability to finger the cross; now don't that sound dirty?), and the overall length is about 32". The cross, in case you were wondering, is 6" wide and the blade is 1.25" wide.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 4, 2011 8:13:19 GMT
And now, here's Mé'aré and Ithin in their scabbards (minus respective suspension systems):
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Oct 4, 2011 11:48:12 GMT
love THE SIDESWORD. Thats bad ass. as for the other two, are they wielded by the same charecter?
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 4, 2011 21:04:33 GMT
No, they're not; Mé'aré is wielded by the antagonist of my novel, Lunæon (though his birth name's Kegato), while Ithin is wielded by the protagonist of the same novel, Vega. However, both swords were forged by the same smith, albeit at different times in her life and for different purposes. Mé'aré was forged for Dalun, Lunæon's father, during a time of war, hence why it's a big, broad, bastard sword. Ithin, however, was forged for an admiral from the Southern Continent (the same place the smith is from) to be carried as his duty cutlass on his ship; after he died, it was taken by a pirate and sold to several different merchants (none of whom could sell it) until Vega happened upon it.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 5, 2011 0:35:36 GMT
Okay, so I decided to my new found scabbard making prowess (what little there is) to make Iomhair and Ifearnán's scabbards and here they are: I did Ifearnán's second, so it was really easy compared to Iomhair's (by the way, don't view it against a black background; as a bit of a shortcut, I just used the ellipse tool to draw a white circle inside a gray circle for the rings; it's rather glaring against a black background), but Euro scabbards are ridiculously easy if you know the trick, so neither took very long. They're especially easy after Ithin's scabbard.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Oct 5, 2011 3:24:07 GMT
your skills improve with each new drawing
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Post by jhart06 on Oct 5, 2011 3:32:13 GMT
My laptopjust took a crap along with my cordless mouse, so by the time I get back into this I will be woefully behind you.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 5, 2011 3:42:58 GMT
Thanks, Saito. J, you'll be fine. I'm the type that picks things up quickly if I have an interest in it; plus, with this, I improve a lot quicker than I ever did with pencil and paper because it's right at my fingertips. I don't have to go out of my way to clear a space on my desk to sketch out a design. Editing mistakes is also a lot easier and scabbards are a cinch to match up their blades.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Oct 5, 2011 3:50:23 GMT
im exact oppasit vince, for me pencil drawing is as natural as a monkey scratching its ass. Lol
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 5, 2011 4:00:44 GMT
:lol: Interesting analogy. Me, my talents went a different direction: literature. Of course, I can be very talented if it's something I'm interested in. It's how I managed to pick up the basics of swordsmanship and martial arts from a couple videos. It's how I managed to advance so quickly with this in just 16 days.
Speaking of this, back in June, I did redesigns of Zar'roc and Brisingr from the Inheritance Cycle by Christopher Paolini because, quite frankly, the movie version of the former and the fan versions of both are ugly as hell. Nor do they match the descriptions given in the book. I figured, since I had the time and ability, I'd take another crack at them and see what I could come up with.
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Post by jhart06 on Oct 5, 2011 4:32:13 GMT
I'd also love to see your take on Mat's Ashandaeri, perrin's power-forged hammer and callandor... ^_^
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 5, 2011 4:55:38 GMT
I just may have to do those, as well, but for the time being, here's a fan piece depicting Tarmon Gai'don that features all three; the ashandarei in this image is as close to perfection as I could wish it.
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Post by jhart06 on Oct 5, 2011 5:07:56 GMT
That's just wicked....
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 5, 2011 6:25:51 GMT
Yes, it is. I'm quite fond of the artist's version of Callandor. It almost looks fragile, but still very functional. Anyways! Here's my renditions of Zar'roc and Brisingr. First, Zar'roc: I pretty much kept it just like my original sketch (both of which can be viewed here, in MOK's Redesign a Classic Fantasy Sword thread), though the measurements differ slightly. Overall, this sword's 38" with a 32" blade, which is about normal for a Type XII; the grip is 3.75", which is just about enough for a comfy grip when you're talking about a full grown man (the sword was originally Morzan's). The grip is wrapped in silver wire, just like it's described in the book. I kept the reverse scent-stopper pommel as I felt it was more unique, a trait I feel is important for a named blade; also, structurally speaking, it would be easier for the egg shaped ruby to stay in its fastener (the cup shaped pommel, which is peened beneath it, by the way) than if it were thinner point down. Paolini describes the ruby as being the size of a small egg. However, he doesn't say what type of egg, so I chose the most common type: chicken. A chicken egg is 2.5" long on average and the ruby on this is 2.25"; not much smaller, but just enough to warrant the term and still be of a significant size. I also made the scabbard just slightly darker than the blade as I felt such a bright color would be a little garish; the insignia, by the way, was a semprini to get right, but nothing compared to Brisingr's. Next is Brisingr. If you looked at my original sketch, you'll see it changed quite a bit and I think it's a change for the better; I'm actually quite pleased with this one. Rather than a bulky and rather ugly looking Type R pommel (and yes, to meet the description, it was rather ugly), I went for an elegant extended fishtail. Brisingr is described as having a slightly longer than normal grip, but is also described as being for every purpose, so I went with a 5" grip, which is just longer than normal, while still being short enough to be effectively used one handed; the extended fishtail also grants an extra 2" of real estate (3" if you grip the entire pommel). I cheated a bit with this one, though. I actually just took the blade (minus the fuller), guard, and pommel from Mé'aré and tweaked them a bit. Brisingr is described as having an iridescent blue blade; I think this qualifies without being in your face. The guard and pommel are described as blued and, for a bit, I struggled over the color to make them. Should I go with a near black? Then, while messing around, I came across the dark, tealish-blue-black you see in the picture. The grip is plain, unadorned ebony that tapers slightly towards where it joins the pommel, but is otherwise uniformly ovular. The sheath is described as being a darker blue, so I made it a dark navy to really make it pop against the blade. As for the claws holding the sapphire into the pommel, I just did them the same way I would a leather riser and adjusted the placement of the gradient until it matched the pommel. Although you can't see where they attach to the pommel (a good thing, I think), you can clearly see them against the vivid blue of the sapphire. And last, but not least, the specs of this sword. It is 44.5" overall with a 33.5" x 1.5" blade, a 5" grip (as previously stated), the guard is 7" wide, and the pommel is a lengthy 3".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2011 15:58:11 GMT
finally a great book accurate design i broke my head on this one, because it is impossible to do metallic colors in ms paint. so you beat me on this one, not that i mind, they are not my favorite idea of swords, too brightly colored and too less curves :lol:
nice job, yours skills with mok's paint program are increasing in a sick rate :shock:
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 5, 2011 22:46:15 GMT
One of the consequences of matching your sword to a brightly colored dragon, I suppose. As I said earlier, if I have an interest in something, I can improve by leaps and bounds fairly quickly.
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Post by jhart06 on Oct 5, 2011 22:51:55 GMT
Neither are my style, but they match the book amazingly well! I am downloading inkscape tonight and trying some more out, semprinis to waiting, this loaner laptop can suffice.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 5, 2011 23:31:58 GMT
That's more what I was worried about. I've yet to see a decent fan interpretation of how I pictured them, so I figured, why not do it myself?
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 6, 2011 15:09:29 GMT
So, I got bored this morning and decided to do my interpretation of the messer depicted in the Talhoffer Fechtbuch: Overall, it's 31" long with a 25" blade that is 1.5" wide. The black scale grips are 4" long and features a depressed section for better grip, as well as two steel rivets to hold them on; the pommel is 2" long and is part of the tang. The guard is 5" wide and the nagel is 1.5" at its widest. The sharpened clip point is 5.25" long. And last, but not least, the fuller is a full 1" wide and 23.75" long. Yes, this results in a rather steep bevel, but also an extremely light blade.
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