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Post by Bob The Great on Dec 1, 2010 3:57:06 GMT
I nabbed a couple of www.museumreplicas.com/p-131-leather-dagger-back-hanger-frog.aspx these dagger frogs from MRL a couple weeks ago when they were on the deal of the day, just to see how they worked. Well, after much screwing around and trial-and-error, I've come to the conclusion that I have no idea how this piece of leather with buckles on the corners is supposed to support a dagger. Other frogs I've seen look pretty self-explanitory, but this one, for some reason, is not. I've tried putting the dagger sheath through the buckles in various orientations, tried wrapping the frog around the sheath, again in several orientations, tried rotating the buckles and straps to inter-connect them in every way I could think of, and in all cases, the dagger ends up in some strange and awkward position when hung on a belt or just plain falls out because the frog can't grip it, usually both. So if anyone has a dummy's guide to frogs handy and could help me figure this out, I'd appreciate it. Better yet, if you have this particular frog and can show me how it is supposed to be used (or tell me that it's crap and doesn't work), that would help too.
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Post by rvhernandez on Dec 1, 2010 4:39:35 GMT
That's pretty funny... Sorry, don't mean to laugh at your anguish. I feel your pain...been there myself with some costume pieces.
Hope you don't mind if I give it a try: In that horizontal position as shown in MRs picture, I imagine that the two top loops go around the belt (a thin one), and the two lower loops hold the dagger (in its sheath) in a horizontal position.
If that doesn't work, I would email their "technical support" - a little sarcasm there - and ask. Personally, I stick with with Ravenswood Leather. Their stuff is pretty straight forward and simplistic enough for even the most illiterate Viking warrior. Quality and customer service are excellent.
Good luck man, and looking forward to the answer...
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Post by Bob The Great on Dec 1, 2010 13:41:58 GMT
Don't worry, I couldn't help but laugh at myself a bit. :-p
I did try the horizontal position as you recommended. It sort of worked, but because the frog is fully as long as the dagger sheath, it can't get a very good hold on the tip of the sheath, and invariably it falls out. The frog is a lot bigger than it looks - it could hold a longsword easily, though probably at a funny angle.
I also tried rotating the frog 90 degrees, so that it hangs "vertically." This sort of worked too, but causes the dagger to flop around and fall out because its hanging a full foot or more below the belt.
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Post by LittleJP on Dec 1, 2010 15:29:06 GMT
I've never used dagger frogs myself, but I've had trouble with sword frogs occasionally.
I usually ended up using small amounts of duct tape. If you're clever, it won't look half bad at all.
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Post by Bob The Great on Dec 3, 2010 2:45:25 GMT
Alright, mystery solved. Therion arms has an (apparently) identical frog for sale, and they actually show a picture of it supporting a dagger. therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1206.htmlrvhernandez, you were right on the money. I think the problem with these frogs is that they are just too big for the daggers I own.
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Post by rvhernandez on Dec 3, 2010 19:17:04 GMT
Alright! I love solving mysteries...lol.
Like most Renn and blade enthusiasts, eventually one ends up with a tub full of accessories that don't quite make it. I found that Ravenswood stuff works best for me and I like their prices. I also find good deals at Ren Faires from time to time. Looks like your piece can probably be modified and make a fine frog.
Cheers...
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Post by Bob The Great on Dec 3, 2010 20:50:33 GMT
Thanks for the recommendation. I'll see about getting one of their frogs next
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