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Post by johnapsega on Nov 17, 2010 5:18:54 GMT
idk if this has already been said because i skipped the discussion when I read the origonal post but what about an odachi.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Nov 17, 2010 5:26:48 GMT
John, I think an Odachi would be far too long, even if you extended the tang like BB said. The Hanwei model has a 49" blade and I don't know how long you'd be able to make the tang, considering the sori. Plus, that kinda makes it more of a naginata than anything (katana were occasionally cut down into naginata blades). However, it's still a rather intriguing idea.
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Post by Enkidu on Nov 17, 2010 18:12:35 GMT
You almost got to go custom, and anyway this thing has to get a funky blade on. Not a normal straight blade, it would take the fantasy fanciness out of it I've made some sketches, if i pull out a good one i'll post it, too bad i already have some custom projects planned, i'd definitly shell out some money and time to get my hands on something like that.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Nov 19, 2010 15:21:54 GMT
Aha! To anyone who's interested in one of these, here's a still from the trailer in the OP to give you a static and closer look at the weapon: EDIT: I did a few quick calculations of the image for approximate length and here's what I came up with; Overall Length: 60.75" (154.3cm) Blade Length: 27 1/2" (69.8cm) Blade Width: 1 5/8" (4.2cm) to 2 7/16" (6.2cm) Shaft Length: 30" (76.2cm) Shaft Diameter: 13/16" (2.1cm) to 1 5/8" (4.2cm) Orb/Pommel Length: 3 1/4" (8.3cm) Orb/Pommel Diameter: 1 5/8" (4.2cm) to 2 7/16" (6.2cm)
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Post by Enkidu on Nov 19, 2010 16:02:18 GMT
Hey great shot man ! Personnaly i would see it more at 50'' overall, anyhow...
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Nov 19, 2010 16:16:17 GMT
Crap! I knew I forgot something in there! There, edited it to add the overall length. It's about 10" longer than what you thought, but it's actually shorter than the Pudao, one of the weapons it's based on (pudao usually average about 63" overall). That said, I was just giving approximate measurements for the one that appeared in game; you could probably make it any length you want.
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Post by brotherbanzai on Nov 19, 2010 17:00:28 GMT
I'd want the tang to be under my hands while I was using it, so pretty long. Probably as long as the blade, or close to it.
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Post by Enkidu on Nov 19, 2010 19:24:03 GMT
Yep, tang all the way, 50 inches and a POB 2'' down the blade. Hande covered in leather with cord underneath and evenly spaced risers all the way...
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Post by bloodwraith on Nov 20, 2010 14:01:57 GMT
You can get away with a 15 inch tang, you don't need it to extend through the length of the shaft and that would be rather wasteful and not make it any safer. The blade would work at 28 inches which would mean that the shaft has to be at least 56 inches in length as two blade lengths make up the shaft. That cutout in the middle of the blade would have to go though. I don't think that this thing represents or is based on a pudao at all, I would more say a long bladed hewing spear with no socket. I like polearms and that one is not bad with a few tweaks, I'd also make it slightly leaf-bladed as well. Here are two of the polearms that I've considered making
Although now I am considering this one as well, this one would be certainly easier, though I'd be inclined to change the design slightly and go for a blade collar to give that added strength to the shaft. I'm not sure what wood would be best though. Maybe something like spotted gum painted black and an amber orb to balance the shaft. Although if it were to be a contact/cutting weapon I'd forgo the amber.
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Post by Wes on Nov 21, 2010 0:53:22 GMT
I've been tossing around a swordstaff idea in my head for a while and the one from the game trailer looks fairly similar to what I had in mind. Leaf-blade, long-tang construction. I want a nice smooth, maybe slightly wasted design for the wood, not gnarled like the one in the trailer I want it to slide through my hands nicely. Not sure what sort of counterbalance it would need, but I would want the POB to be as close to dead center of the overall length as possible. I may check with Brendan after I get some bills paid down and see how much he would want to make something like this, but atm I've got too much on my plate and my next 100% custom will be Luna's Montoya as another Brenno/Jeffery/Sonny colab
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Post by Polarclaw on Dec 21, 2010 4:35:07 GMT
So I went through the video a few times, and I really made an effort to get some good looks at this thing. Now I'm kind of undoing all the progress you guys made, but please feel free to turn me down here. I'll attach some pictures on here, but did anyone else notice the blade turning into that reddish black handle? maybe there is not tang at all, now this would be even harder to make, and probably less solid, but it looks like the sword wraps around the outside of the staff, much like a shovel blade does. Anyways check out the pics. Especially the second one.
Also notice that spot, right beneath the blade, as the spot our "hero" holds the most.
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Post by Polarclaw on Dec 21, 2010 4:42:46 GMT
Oh, I also forgot, for the sturdiness, wood, maybe wouldn't be the best Idea. especially if it's made like I mentioned above with a shovel type (tang/part that attaches to the staff) maybe out of polypropylene would be A-more flexible, hence less likely to break. and B- would be much more receptive to being pined into a mekugi hole(s) in the tang.
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Post by bloodwraith on Dec 21, 2010 13:53:35 GMT
Polar claw: Wood is perfect for a spear stave, that is why they were made of wood for thousands of years. I'd say that red part looks like a four pinned blade collar and a hidden tang runs down into the shaft. A shovel has a socket, not a tang, many spears had them too.
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Post by Polarclaw on Dec 23, 2010 4:54:25 GMT
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Post by Polarclaw on Jul 10, 2011 14:32:53 GMT
So I dunno who's still looking here but I was looking at the Zheng Wu swords, and check this out! If you could somehow dismount this blade or just ask them to send only the blade, I think this one would do just fine. www.zhengwusword.com/zw/datangdao.htm
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 9:37:52 GMT
reminds me of this weapon: simpel maar uiterst doeltreffend, deze glavius is in totaal 170 cm lang en heeft een kling van 75 cm. from celticwebmerchant.com. translated it means something like: simple but extremely effective, this ''glavius'' (glaive?) is in total 170cm with a blade of 75 cm i suppose they mean with glavius glaive or somethingh?
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