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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 8, 2010 19:35:13 GMT
Is it just me or does that seem pretty well thought out compared to most of the supposed 'tactical'* systems out there? I know it's just a fancy baldric, but it is a rather interesting take on an old concept, wouldn't you agree?
*Tactical here being those made by the non-professionals and those without government funding.
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Post by whitefeathers on Oct 8, 2010 19:59:14 GMT
Reminds me of the 3 point sling I had on my rifle in Iraq. you could have it hanging in all kinds of ways. It was comfy. If I ever deploy again wonder if the command would let us have "really sharp long large knives" too! lol! Being that i was a driver it wouldnt have done any good for me. If I ever go back in i would probably change jobs to small arms repair. During one of our convoys i did buy an iraq sword. Even though it was a fake wallhanger, my Sgt made me ship it home as soon as we got back to base. Still pretty neat though.
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Post by ineffableone on Oct 9, 2010 0:41:12 GMT
I have to say it was rather funny how he was wearing rather traditional Japanese clothing but showing off a "tactical sword belt". I don't really think you can call it a belt though since it doesn't go around the waist, baldric or harness sure.
I think it is sort of a cool idea, especially like how the tsuka has a retention point to keep it out of the way, and that the entire rig has a quick release to remove easily. Not sure if I would actually use this technique but I appreciate the concept.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 9, 2010 0:48:04 GMT
I kinda had the same feeling; it's funny that he's wearing a kimono and obi, yet displaying a tactical belt which, isn't actually a belt, but a baldric. And I'm in agreement. I couldn't actually see myself ever using it (though, with a wakizashi, maybe), but it's still a pretty nifty concept.
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Post by ineffableone on Oct 9, 2010 1:14:02 GMT
I actually used an old shoulder strap with nice curved and padded shoulder rest to carry my jian out in the Arizona desert. It worked nicely and made for an easy quick removal to go through barbed wire fences, through thick undergrowth, and to just remove to sit and rest. The concept can actually be very nice.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 9, 2010 1:18:27 GMT
Baldrics are pretty comfortable and quite convenient, so if we ever saw swords in warfare again, I wouldn't be surprised if the soldiers wore something like this. That quick release mechanism would make it exceptionally easy to remove when sitting without having to remove the whole thing.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 9, 2010 2:00:30 GMT
Nice find, Eques, but I have to wonder, what about a baldric at the hip where it's connected at two points instead of one and held under a belt? It probably wouldn't swing as much given the extra point of connection.
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Post by Freebooter on Oct 26, 2010 7:04:43 GMT
Hello all, I really liked that. Neat video and neat rig! Where can you find one? I have a Katana and have wondered how I would carry it if in the field. Freebooter
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Post by Freebooter on Oct 27, 2010 18:12:53 GMT
Hello all, I emailed that company and asked about the Tactical Belt rig. I might order me one soon. Here is the response: --------------------------- Hi Dave,
Thank you for your attention at our website. The tactical sword belt you asked is on sale at the price of $60.00 Additional $8 will cost ($6 if delivered within Japan) for shipping fee. We only accept payment via paypal from purchase made overseas, and the shipping will usually take 5 to 7 days in most cases. Thank you.
Sincerely, Kaoru Oka ------------------------ Later, Freebooter
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Oct 27, 2010 18:49:10 GMT
I currently have 4 different baldrics that I ware to RenFaires with various swords... and have had a bunch of others come and go. Can I ask what sort of baldrics/swords you have worn for any length of time... say 8 hours or so... that makes you think they are pretty comfortable and quite convenient?
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 27, 2010 18:57:02 GMT
I've never worn an actual baldric, to be honest. The one I wore for about 5 hours at a RenFaire I attended with a friend about 6 years back (my entire costume at the time was on loan from the same friend since I didn't have the time to get one beforehand) was actually just a belt that he'd converted into a baldric. Still, I found it pretty comfortable for those 5 hours, but perhaps I didn't wear it long enough?
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Oct 28, 2010 18:07:20 GMT
Some baldrics can indeed be very comfortable... others not so much. I can't speak to your converted belt-baldric because I have no idea what was done and have never worn it. The point I was making is this: You spoke about the comfort of Baldrics as tho you had a lot of direct experince with waring them, and that there comfort and ease of use was something you knew for a fact due to your experience. You do this often on a great many subjects that you do not, in fact, have direct personal experience with... and as I mentioned to you before I think that's a form of misrepresentation. If you speak about something as tho you have cause to know for a fact about it... on the iNtErWeBz people have little choice but to take that at face value. When you do not, in fact, have the experience to back up those statements... you are in effect just blowing hot air and wasting peoples time. If I were to discuss my opinions on the comfort of a baldric as a method to carry a sword for extended periods of time... I would be speaking from a viewpoint where I currently own 4 different baldrics from 3 different makers... and have owned over 10 others... and have worn over 25 different swords in various combinations with them. That gives me a frame of reference from which to offer my opinion. I feel you often make assumptions/judgments on a broad variety of subjects with which you have little or no direct experience and then offer those thoughts as facts... and I think that sort of miss-information is bad for our community as a whole, as we have discussed. I am hopping to discourage that sort of action on your part.
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Post by Freebooter on Oct 28, 2010 20:26:30 GMT
Hello all, I've never even tried a baldric on, so can't say. But I would say I like the idea of it because I hate anything waiting my waist down where I have to pull my britches up every few minutes. Might be different with a kilt type garment or a one piece over the head tunic like vikings and others wore. I have never been to any sort of renn fair or sword toting event and have only worn a sword here around the house for a few minutes. The only real experience with anything like that is with the American Civil War's cavlaryman's waist belt. It has a strap that goes over the should to reenforce the weight of the sabre (sort of like a sam brown belt-see pic). I was in a mounted cav reenactment unit and of course that is what we wore, sword on left side and cap pouch and pistol holster on right side.Cav Sabre suspension.jpg]Cav Sabre suspension.jpg[/attachment]
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Oct 28, 2010 20:55:59 GMT
That's been my experience as well. The higher and tighter to the body the baldric is, the less swinging around the sword does and it gets in the way less... and it holds the weight closer to your body making it more comfortable to carry for long periods of time. Obviously this works better on shorter swords... single handed swords for the most part. With Bastard and Longswords the blade is often too big to ware that high and close with comfort... and as you mentioned, drawing from that position can be a pain in the butt. Since I mostly ware baldrics and swordbelts to RenFaires and never to battle... having the sword feel comfortable and swing around and hit other people less have always been my primary concerns of draw speed tho. This would obviously change if ever I needed to ware a sword into battle.
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Post by Freebooter on Oct 29, 2010 0:00:14 GMT
I posted the reply note that guy sent me about that tacktical belt (baldric). I am going to order one from him soon. FB
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2010 0:15:14 GMT
Timely subject, as I am getting a "pirate" sword soon. We have a Ren fair close to where I live and of course I am now thinking of going as a pirate. so would a pirate hang his sword using any of these systems? I have zero knowledge of western type swords, so any suggestions would be of great help. Also on the hanger shown , would the retention strap be considered a peace tie?
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 29, 2010 0:23:39 GMT
And I've been trying to discourage myself from the same thing, instead relying on what I actually know which, unfortunately, isn't much. Even more unfortunately, I have no way to rectify my lack of experience; it sucks.
As for the converted belt-baldric, the friend who converted it, name of Taylor, was actually rather clever with it since he stitched some thick faux-fur to the belt where it would rest on the shoulder (meaning it was about halfway between each end, give or take a few inches) and the width of the belt itself, about an inch and a half, I think is what attributed to its comfort; a wide belt would distribute the weight of the sword over a greater area, reducing the amount of weight felt while the thick fur he had sewn to it padded it somewhat. Of course, after a few hours, that faux-fur got pretty damn itchy, but I think that had more to do with the fact that it was fur in a Texas summer than anything. I'd probably have to wear it up north to be sure.
I know it's not as much experience as you've got, Sean, but it's all I've got and it's led me to think of all baldrics as comfortable and convenient, so, until I can actually wear others with more than a decorative wallhanger (a cheap knock-off of Boromir's sword, in fact), that'll be my opinion.
@bushidoblade: I don't know. It's possible, if you were going for a more modern look, it might. From what little I remember of historical pirates, they would use whatever was useful to them, so if they found this tactical baldric useful (more so than their regular baldrics, that is), then they would probably use them. *Shrugs* I can't say for sure. As for the retention strap, I doubt it, since the peace tying is meant to keep you from draw it at all and a retention strap is easy enough to undo. Plus, since this is meant for katana, the strap might be too high for a cutlass. But that's just my speculations.
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Oct 29, 2010 2:30:24 GMT
I'm not sure about true, historical pirates... but now days the guys at RenFaires dressing as pirates almost always ware baldrics for their cutlass. One I'm a big fan of is: theinnerbailey.com/baldrics.htm
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Post by trelopoulos on Nov 30, 2010 10:10:57 GMT
Just got this tactical belt and its really nice and Practical i would recommend it cost 68dollars fast shipping.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Jun 4, 2011 14:13:12 GMT
is it very adjustible? and how long can you make it? im interested in this but will it fit a fatass?
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