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Post by ineffableone on Oct 2, 2010 3:10:47 GMT
So since we had so much fun before with the belt sword, I thought we had to have it here in the new forum. The Belt SwordDon't remember the Belt Sword? Does this help you remember? Their website is beltswords.com/ if you want to look them up. Old forum thread sword for ccw! linked here sbgswordforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=16082&page=1Odingaard was supposed to be getting to do a full testing of these, but they seem to be dragging their feet to let Odingaard get the chance to put it through some real testing. So are these really a good idea finally made practical? Or just a lot of hype and bells and whistles? People have been trying to make this concept work for quite awhile. It seems like something that people really want to have. Another belt sword but supposed to be from WW2 riaudragon.indonetwork.net/842549/katana-belt-sword-from-world-war-ii.htmOr here someone who made one out of a bandsaw blade. This is an idea that wont seem to go away. Is it finally practical though?
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Post by ineffableone on Oct 2, 2010 3:17:47 GMT
Some more pictures of the beltsword The belt sword is basicly a system of retention clips on a belt used to sheath the "sword"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2010 4:21:05 GMT
The idea seems intriguing, but it seems like something that'd be hard to do well. Practical? Hardly, unless you live in an area with a lot of crime and you can draw it fast enough. However, it seems doable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2010 12:00:39 GMT
Interesting concept. Would love to read an honest, comprehensive review on it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2010 18:57:05 GMT
I looked them up last night. Surprisingly, they seem pretty nice! They use good steel, and are surprisingly hard, despite their flexibility. It seems that their flexibility comes from their thin profile. The thickest ones are only 0.042" thick, if I remember correctly. They also seem to have some good logic behind their design, so I may have to try them out. Their prices don't seem too bad either.
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Post by ineffableone on Oct 2, 2010 21:06:22 GMT
Yes Odingaard had contacted them and they had originally seemed excited to have him review it. If I remember correctly he was going to put them through a full destructive testing. Really push them and see what they are made of. Then time went on and on and on. Odingaard posted a couple updates saying not yet for this reason or that. It really seems the company got cold feet about letting Odingaard review them. I would love to see an objective review on these to see what they really are capable of.
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Post by Odingaard on Oct 2, 2010 21:09:25 GMT
It's true. The owner of the company and myself have been communicating back and forth about getting together in the near future to allow a full evaluation of the Belt Sword System. It's been ridden with delays because he has been engaged in some product re-designs as well as his day job - but we still have the goal of getting this done in the next couple months. Hopefully sooner than later.
I'll update here when this comes to pass.
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Post by ineffableone on Oct 2, 2010 21:14:55 GMT
Thanks Odingaard for the update here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2010 2:13:09 GMT
Sounds good! I hope they follow through, because I'd love to see how they really perform. I don't do destructive tests myself, because I don't want to end up just throwing my money away.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 3, 2010 5:06:02 GMT
It's a very interesting concept, but frankly, to me, that's really all it is in my eyes: a bit of a daydream, kinda like my idea for an engine capable of faster-than-light travel by converting mass into energy. Anyways, I personally think that, while they may be lethal, the only way you'd kill someone with one of these is through them dying of laughter as you whipped it out. I have to express severe worries of the structural integrity of anything that is flimsy enough to be wrapped about the human waist.
However, if the girl came with it, then I might buy one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2010 11:39:20 GMT
Thanks Odingaard...can't wait to see you put this thing through the wringer!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2010 12:23:21 GMT
for some reason I didn't see the sword in this picture, I don't know something must have distracted me.
I think its an intriguing idea, It would be completely illegal in the UK, so no good for me but I would still like to see a unbiased review on them. I’m sure they can cut but I would want to know how well they will cut through cloth and leather. Also can you stab with them or are they to flexible for that
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Post by ineffableone on Oct 4, 2010 2:55:20 GMT
Here maybe the video that picture came from will help you see the "sword"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2010 18:17:55 GMT
Haha, well, you never know. Modern technology is capable of some surprising things. There is already talk of plasma shields and weapons. It's even predicted that, with current research and evolving technology, humans will be able to live to be several hundred, or even over a thousand years old, by 2060. That's even including some humans alive today. So it wouldn't surprise me that, with modern metallurgy, something like a belt sword would actually be possible.
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Post by Odingaard on Oct 4, 2010 18:23:30 GMT
Belt swords and other flexible swords, such as the Indian urumi have been in use for centuries. It's not really a technologically innovative idea, just a new take on a very old one. I can see where this type of weapon may have it's applications, which is why I agreed to get in contact with the company and review it. Hopefully, we will be able to do this soon, I know many are eager for the info. I, for one, will really like to see just what this little sword can handle.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2010 21:37:31 GMT
Really? Aside from swords for wushu, I was not aware of any really flexible swords. But if that's the case, then it seems even more likely that a belt sword could be practical.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 4, 2010 22:22:32 GMT
There's the Urumi from India, like Odin mentioned. It's a flexible sword, but from what I've heard, it's damn near impossible to control with any accuracy. You just fling it and hope it cuts something, but I'm oversimplifying a bit. Other than that, flexible swords really only exist in manga, such as the Hakujin no Tachi (I believe that's its name) in Rurouni Kenshin, which was essentially like the urumi, but had a single blade about 40-50" long with a heavily weighted tip for some control. And there have been several attempts at concealable belt swords, but from what I understand is that they were virtually unheard of, unsuccessful, and really only filled a niche market.
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Post by ineffableone on Oct 5, 2010 0:22:45 GMT
From what I have seen of the videos. The beltsword does not seem overly floppy and weak like most flexible belt sword tries. I think a lot of this has to do with the proportions they used for the beltsword. It is not overly long, but has a pretty decent width to it. Also the blade does not have much for features, it looks like a flat bar of metal with an angle cut into one end. The impression I had too was the only actual blade edge is on this angled section. As a sword it is rather plain and ugly in my opinion. Though if it does actually work as a belt conceal sword without becoming a floppy mess when in use it could actually be interesting and the ascetics overlooked for function.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2010 0:42:06 GMT
This sword sure looks like it would violate the concealed weapon's law in a lot of states. At least in CA, this thing is completely banned. 653K Penal Code makes it illegal for: "(1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, or possesses ... any ballistic knife, ... any belt buckle knife, any lipstick case knife, any cane sword, any shobi-zue, any air gauge knife, any writing pen knife, ..." Source: zknives.com/knives/articles/law/ ... laws.shtml -just a head's up
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2010 1:05:16 GMT
Hmm...I've never read Rurouni Kenshin. I'm reading Bleach, Fairy Tail, and Mayoi Neko Overrun. I also plan to read a lot more, but I need to find the time. I'm trying to read Elfen Lied too (already watched the anime twice through), but it seems a few chapters have been scrambled and it doesn't make any sense.
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