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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2007 5:24:59 GMT
I finally had a chance to review the new Gen 2 sword drawn by Oakeshott and endorsed by Hank Reinhardt. I did not get a chance to do any test cutting or thrusting with it, but here is my initial assessment. www.armsofvalour.com/miva/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AOVL&Product_Code=IP-701-2&Category_Code=ICIBThe Dordogne Sword is very long for a one handed sword. Obviously it is designed for thrusting, but it seems strange to hold with a very long blade and single sword grip until you study how it was used in battle. Gripped with two hands, both covered in mail gauntlets, with one hand on the blade and the other on the hilt, a very powerful thrust could be delivered, splitting mail links and forcing its way through the various opening of the armor. Although the primary purpose the Type XV was in thrusting, many had well sharpened blades as well, which could deliver a disabling cut to a lighter armed opponent. The grip is very well done, and provides comfort without any slippage. Though the blade is long it still has a good feel. It weighs 3 lbs 3 ounces and the balance point was dead on 4.5 inches from the guard. Of course it has the standard Gen 2 peened pommel, which is very beautiful and the most ornate Gen 2 sword I have seen. The Blade is highly polished and does not show grind marks, and has a razor sharp edge. I was very impressed by the scabbard which is wood covered in leather with a steel throat and tip. It is by far the best scabbard on any sword in the price range. I must say that overall I like the sword. It is very unique and the quality does surpass all other swords I have seen in the price range. It is the little details that set it apart, like comfort of the suede grip and the quality of the scabbard. The only thing I was not too keen on was the overall length of the blade, but that is holding it like I would a typical single hand sword. If I were to hold or use it like it was intended with one hand on the blade it would serve it's purpose well. I would definitely dull it just below the COP before doing so. Otherwise the blade would just cut through my leather gloves. I will be adding some pictures later.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2007 1:37:07 GMT
I finally had a chance to review the new Gen 2 sword drawn by Oakeshott and endorsed by Hank Reinhardt. I did not get a chance to do any test cutting or thrusting with it, but here is my initial assessment. www.armsofvalour.com/miva/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AOVL&Product_Code=IP-701-2&Category_Code=ICIBThe Dordogne Sword is very long for a one handed sword. Obviously it is designed for thrusting, but it seems strange to hold with a very long blade and single sword grip until you study how it was used in battle. Gripped with two hands, both covered in mail gauntlets, with one hand on the blade and the other on the hilt, a very powerful thrust could be delivered, splitting mail links and forcing its way through the various opening of the armor. Although the primary purpose the Type XV was in thrusting, many had well sharpened blades as well, which could deliver a disabling cut to a lighter armed opponent. The grip is very well done, and provides comfort without any slippage. Though the blade is long it still has a good feel. It weighs 3 lbs 3 ounces and the balance point was dead on 4.5 inches from the guard. Of course it has the standard Gen 2 peened pommel, which is very beautiful and the most ornate Gen 2 sword I have seen. The Blade is highly polished and does not show grind marks, and has a razor sharp edge. I was very impressed by the scabbard which is wood covered in leather with a steel throat and tip. It is by far the best scabbard on any sword in the price range. I must say that overall I like the sword. It is very unique and the quality does surpass all other swords I have seen in the price range. It is the little details that set it apart, like comfort of the suede grip and the quality of the scabbard. The only thing I was not too keen on was the overall length of the blade, but that is holding it like I would a typical single hand sword. If I were to hold or use it like it was intended with one hand on the blade it would serve it's purpose well. I would definitely dull it just below the COP before doing so. Otherwise the blade would just cut through my leather gloves. I will be adding some pictures later. I look forward to seeing your thrusting test with both the Lucerne and with this Dordogne sword.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2007 1:49:12 GMT
Though this style isn't really my cup of tea (I generally prefer hacking things to poking things ;D), It's good to hear that it turned out well and is of such high quality. I look forward to the pics. I also can't wait to see what Mr. Reinhardt has planned for us next (after his viking sword comes out, of course, which I'm really looking forward to)
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Post by rammstein on Apr 6, 2007 19:03:03 GMT
one of the things I noticed on this sword was that the blade didn't follow the drawing. If you notice on the diagram drawn by ewart oakshott, the blade starts near the hilt with almost parellel edges but gradually has a steeper tapering. Now, it's hard to tell from the image (it's more of an angled view) but the blade seems to taper IMMEDIATELY instead of a slower taper.
Thoughts?
I'm bumping this up again because I really want to see this sword succeed. With a few reworks like the gen2 witham 10th c. viking, I imagine this sword to be a force to be reconned with!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2007 20:20:40 GMT
one of the things I noticed on this sword was that the blade didn't follow the drawing. If you notice on the diagram drawn by ewart oakshott, the blade starts near the hilt with almost parellel edges but gradually has a steeper tapering. Now, it's hard to tell from the image (it's more of an angled view) but the blade seems to taper IMMEDIATELY instead of a slower taper. Thoughts? I'm bumping this up again because I really want to see this sword succeed. With a few reworks like the gen2 witham 10th c. viking, I imagine this sword to be a force to be reconned with! I have the original drawing in my lap. And no it is a gradual taper from the hilt all the way to the tip as you see in the sword made. I know there is still the fact that people do not like the suede. I wish that Ewart had mentioned on the drawing what materil of wrapping was on the handle. At MyArmoury people are talking that I should do this or that, but I am doing what Hank wishes. We could do what is shown on other swords from this class, but this sword is different from others and all we have is the drawing from Ewart. There is no picture at all. Not all swords from the same class had the same handle wrappings. Other wise you would have ie. One huge manufacturer making the each sword the same, same everything. That just was not so. There were allot of makers and each was different in some way. Always at MRL when they re-did a sword, Hank would have it done in the best way for what? If he had to fight with it. That is what he is doing here with us a well. The suede gives a better grip all around, and it will over time wear smooth. Not wear out, but wear smooth. We do not make our own suede as some manufacturers do, ours is from leather and has never worn out on our Generation 2 BWT Katanas. Don't take this wrong. I am not beating up on what you said. But allot of thinking I see in other forum, is a closed box. It has to be made thus for this class of sword. If you went back in time you would see otherwise. Not all class of swords were made thus. In our mass production society I am afraid we have started thinking this way. Take the automobile, each Dodge 1500 regular cab truck is made the same with the exception of A FEW colors. That is the only difference and the choice is few. Most hammers and axes in use today, depending on what class of hammer or axe is produced the same way. They did not have mass production, not as we know mass production. So each maker that made a class of sword for the buyer, or king, it would not have been the same as other makers would have made it. The same look somewhat, but not exactly. If anyones was considering getting the numbered & signed version, remember we only had 18 or 20 signed and we have decided we are going to leave it there. We are not going to have anymore numbered and signed, so these will truly be a collectors item.
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Post by rammstein on Apr 6, 2007 20:26:29 GMT
maybe an illusion? When I look at the one from aov there seems to be a bit. But when you click on it to enlarge, there doesn't seem to be ;D
odd...
honestly, I'm fine with suede as long as it doesn't really detract from the overall sword. I think these first 2 swords (10th c. viking and dorgodgne) do a pretty good job incorperating it!
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Post by rammstein on Apr 6, 2007 20:30:54 GMT
out of curiosity...is the original still around some place? If so, contact the museum and see if they can tell you about the sword!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2007 22:47:38 GMT
about the suede grips... i wasn't sure about them at first, but after seeing the witham river viking in person i actually think the grip looks pretty nice. plus it really does provide a good grip and is comfortable too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2007 2:16:43 GMT
out of curiosity...is the original still around some place? If so, contact the museum and see if they can tell you about the sword! The original that Ewart did the drawing on? As far as anyone knows, it is in a private collection and no one knows where. After Ewart examined it, it is my understanding it was probably auctioned off. I have another drawing of another sword that was dredged out of the Dordogne river at the same time and the pommel is of a wheel pommel design, also shorter blade, I will have to look, I do not think it is in Ewart's books. I will talk with Hank more about this sword.
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Post by rammstein on Apr 7, 2007 17:55:05 GMT
alright then I understand your feelings on the sword. I think that it is a great weapon but I think that everyone wants it to be even better! I hope you can find another original if you think it will help In my opinion, the sword is 97% perfect so I certainly am not trying to be too critical ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2007 5:03:41 GMT
Wait, did I miss something? I was just looking at the Dordogne a minute ago on Clyde's site, and it has a slimmed down guard now. It totally changes the looks of the sword! There was something that didn't quite sit right with me about it from the start, and even hearing some folks on myArmoury griping about the guard didn't clue me in. I thought, nah, that isn't it...but apparently it is. This sword looks so amazingly sleek and sexy now, just from that small change, that I'm seriously looking at it for the first time as a possible purchase. www.imperialweapons.com/swords/Reinhardt/IP-701.html
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2007 13:57:52 GMT
Wait, did I miss something? I was just looking at the Dordogne a minute ago on Clyde's site, and it has a slimmed down guard now. It totally changes the looks of the sword! There was something that didn't quite sit right with me about it from the start, and even hearing some folks on myArmoury griping about the guard didn't clue me in. I thought, nah, that isn't it...but apparently it is. This sword looks so amazingly sleek and sexy now, just from that small change, that I'm seriously looking at it for the first time as a possible purchase. www.imperialweapons.com/swords/Reinhardt/IP-701.htmlYes we did slim it down. That is the non-numbered and signed. I still have some left from the original shipment that are numbered and certificate signed models that I would like to sell. But once they are gone we will not number anymore and yes this revised version, it is SEXY! No doubt. Did I pull a fast one on you?
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Post by rammstein on Apr 10, 2007 21:09:19 GMT
neato! I didn't even see it on gen2's site!
fantastic work. Any other recommendations by me are personal preference and not fact. Very good job complementing the sword!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2007 22:40:00 GMT
[Did I pull a fast one on you? If this is your definition of a fast one, then please keep pulling them! ;D I just hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere on this forum, but I figured it must have been discussed, and that I had just missed the discussion.
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