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Post by LittleJP on Oct 1, 2010 21:11:48 GMT
It's a very sexy sabre.
My only object is that it's only for right handed users. Hah.
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Post by Pogo4321 on Oct 2, 2010 3:57:05 GMT
I got one of these a couple weeks ago. It's my first "real" saber. I like it quite a bit, except that there is a bit of play in the grip--I figure I'll get some epoxy and shoot it in there to tighten it up. Got a good deal from KOA's scratch and dent section--a few scratches n the bluing of the scabbard. I love the blued steel scabbard.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2010 5:23:56 GMT
Yes, very nice saber indeed. I'm guessing you're left-handed, then?
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Post by LittleJP on Oct 2, 2010 5:32:50 GMT
Aye. I might be getting the 1796 Light Cav from Cold steel, as the guard seems to be pretty universal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2010 18:39:31 GMT
Ah, I have that one. I actually posted a review on it. Feel free to check it out!  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2010 3:53:18 GMT
Which would you say is a better cutter?
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Post by LittleJP on Oct 3, 2010 4:49:07 GMT
Noobish question, just how would they have strapped it to their belts? Through those rings?
And I've had bad experiences with the quality of Windlass's modern military sword hilts. The peen very often comes loose with heavier cutting.
And comparitively, which one handles better? The Windlass or the Cold Steel?
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Oct 3, 2010 4:58:23 GMT
That's exactly how. Most later sword belts featured suspension straps attached to them (permanently or removable, depending on the belt). I believe a historically correct version would have ends that looped through the rings and snapped or belted onto themselves; some modern reproductions forgo this for metal clips.
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Post by LittleJP on Oct 3, 2010 8:16:40 GMT
It was probably me screwing up reeally badly and smacking the bottle halfway across the hard.
Anyway, I've decided I really don't have a place in my collection for something like that, though I am looking for a good smallsword.
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Post by LittleJP on Oct 3, 2010 15:33:48 GMT
I'd say it's quite a good looking sword. However, the listed weight is about 2 lbs, historically, I believe most of them were about a pound in weight, and the cold steel looks better in regards to that. What do you have to say about the cold steel smalsword?
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Post by Sébastien on Oct 3, 2010 15:44:16 GMT
Hello Mr Johnson !
Thanks for sharing those pics. Did you have the opportunity to dry handle the original, historical sword and to compare it to the Windlass replica ? I am curious about how the replica handles, compared to the originals.
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Post by Sébastien on Oct 3, 2010 21:25:12 GMT
Hello Jim !
I think I wrote my post too quickly ; I was refering to the 1850 Staff and Field Officer Sword, which was in your first post of this thread, not the Hanwei smallsword. Do you know the differences between Windlass replica and the originals ?
By the way, thanks for your first answer, have a karma from me.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Oct 4, 2010 0:42:03 GMT
"And comparatively, which one handles better? The Windlass or the Cold Steel?"
Cold Steel doesn't manufacture their own swords. They contract production and are quite vague about where they get them from. Several of their products are definitely WIndlass swords. The 1860 Saber and the shamshir for certain.
That doesn't necessarily mean that specs and qa for CS marketed Windlass swords is the same as Windlass allows into their distribution system.
I've had better qa experiences with the Cold Steel one handed swords, than with Windlass. Cold Steel has particularly got blasted in the past for the qa on their two handers.
Also would comment that the CS 1796 is heavier than most real 1796s issued for the British Army that I've handled. German swords used by them and exported to places like the US could be heavier in the range of the CS sword.
But my lil ole Officers 96 weighs all of 1.7 lbs and handles like a straight razor...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2010 17:55:10 GMT
Ah, alright. The 1796 actually doesn't feel very heavy to me, though, so I can't imagine how light the Revolutionary War Saber would feel.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2010 2:40:09 GMT
Beautiful sword. I really like civil war ear sabers. I currently have a CS 1860 US Heavy Cavalry and I love it. It's a silent cutting machine. I was thinking about getting this saber kultofathena.com/product.asp?ite ... icer+Saber from KOA. It's a beautiful looking sword in the pics. I would imagine it's just a solid as my CS, since the CS sabers are made at the windlass forge. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2010 3:05:22 GMT
Thanks! Just bought it. I'm going to sharpen it myself though, as I only want the last half sharpened (Starting where the etchings end) and I will sharpen the false edge. How many sabers do you have? lol You seem to have one of each haha
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2010 3:49:40 GMT
Very cool. Own any antiques? I've thought about getting one of the more common, early 1900s sabers and cutting with them. I even saw a 1960s Marine saber that had been made at the famous company in Solingen German (oh what's it's name?), but hadn't been stamped by the USMC, for $100.00. Just get one of those old swords that there seems to be hundreds of floating around. I wouldn't do it to a 1860s one though, however I still want one of those too, just to have in my collection.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2010 17:28:44 GMT
Ah, that's another one I want. I love that saber. It looks quite beautiful. Oh, and were you the one who got their CS 1860 US Heavy Cavalry saber as a surprise gift from their grandfather? If that's you, then I saw your review on the old forum.
Wow, you seem to be quite the saber specialist! ^_^
There's actually a local blade shop about 15 minutes away from me, and they have a couple antique sabers, as well as a couple spears and a halberd. They've got a lot of neat stuff, and some fairly good prices on most of their weapons. I'm hoping to become a regular customer there once I have a source of income. >.>
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2010 19:22:49 GMT
nah, I'm not that guy. I was actually disappointed in it for four main reasons... at first.
1) The handle came lose after a few dry swings and some light cutting. After taking the pomel off and tightening the nut and adding some threadlock, the pomel wouldn't fit flush again. You can't feel it, but you can see it.I wish it was peened. It's rock solid now though.
2) It was more of a baseball bat than a cutter lol. Now that I've sharpened it up a bit though, it's a seriouse cause for concern for the plastic bottle world.
3) The dye or paint on the leather handle is rubbing off.
4) The rings, and drag on the scabbard are brass, but I guess the plated it in steel, but you can see some of the brass showing through here and there. I have a feeling it's a Windlass scabbard and Cold Steel did that to help hide it maybe? Cold Steel kind of upsets me with a lot of their smack talk about other companies. "Don't buy our competitors junk, that's going to break and hurt you". I want to send them an email saying "You don't even make you're own swords! You have your competitors do it, and then bash them." I don't think I'll buy a CS product again.
That being said, after putting a proper edge on it, and tightening the tang nut, it's a great sword. It's a good beater, that cuts really well. Oh, and the Temper, distal taper, and handling is really nice. I'm 5'7 and about 140lbs, and I don't have much trouble cutting with it, but there is some lag in recovery, but what are you gonna do? It's a big sword and I'm a small guy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2010 23:00:10 GMT
Ah, oh well. My bad, then. ^_^
Jeez, I've heard it's hit or miss with Cold Steel's swords, and it seems you got a bit of a miss, in a way. My 1796 hasn't had any problems like that. As for their marketing...yeah, I can see why that'd upset you, but I'm pretty sure he's talking about the competitors who make stainless steel wallhangers when he says stuff like that. But regardless, with as much talk they give us about their swords being so good, you'd think they'd have better quality control. I would say that Cold Steel should make their own swords, but I'm afraid that if they did, they'd cost two or three times more than they do now. Hell, the prices they ask on their main website are already outrageous.
Anyway, I'm glad that the sword is good overall. I'm actually really good at sharpening, so I could put a mean edge them, I'd bet. Hell, I was even resharpening one of my hunting knives today that had some edge damage. The blade is about 4" long, made of AUS6 stainless steel, and somewhere between RC 54 and 58. I had it back to paper cutting sharpness in under an hour. And that was with a rough diamond stone, and medium and fine Arkansas stones. ^_^ As for the weight of the sword, I don't think that'd be an issue for me. I can handle the 1796 pretty well, and the 1860 probably isn't much different.
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