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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 0:18:16 GMT
Hi ther I'm thinkn of getting a sling and want to know some opinions of my bretherin here who have used em or uses them on a regular bases. I have seen a Barretts Pro Diablo 2 and it seems to be the one I want. If any one has any other ideas it will be greatly appreciated. Also is it legal to import to Austalia?? Matt
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 7:44:08 GMT
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Post by stromloswordsusa on Sept 23, 2010 8:12:39 GMT
Hi Matt,
Slingshots with a wrist or forearm brace are prohibited by Customs unless prior permission has been obtained.
But you should check with the local coppers as well to be sure... Cheers, Rob
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 9:38:54 GMT
I had a Diablo as a kid, I also had a black widow(the ones where the wrist brace folds over) . both are great and got a lot of use.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 11:58:23 GMT
Make one yourself!!!
Youtube: JoergSprave channel, all you need to know!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 12:11:53 GMT
Wow, slingshots with wristbraces prohibited by customs? Sheesh. Well I have about 4 of them, some brace the wrist from the top of the handle, and some brace the wrist from the bottom of the handle. I like the one that braces on top, as you don't have to put your hand through it. We use them to scare up ducks at the far end of a pond while we are hunting. Also, we have an old rail depot near here that has mounds of round iron ore pellets. They are cheap ( free!), range from 1/4" to 1/2" in diameter and make excellent ammo. Slingshots, new replacement bands and steel ammo can be bought at the local Walmart here as well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 12:13:04 GMT
I feel that arm braces are only needed if the slingshot is poorly designed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 12:29:04 GMT
Here are examples of ones braced from the bottom and from the top. The one that braces from the bottom is perhaps more accurate as it is more stable, in my opinion, but the one that braces from the top is less cumbersome and easier to use. I replaced the plastic arm piece with a leather one about 20 years ago ( Yes, I've had it that long ). They are about the same size when folded.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 12:29:53 GMT
I feel that arm braces are only needed if the slingshot is poorly designed. Ummm . No, I have to strongly disagree there. Without the brace, when you draw back the pressure is on your hand, holding the slingshot from pulling back towards you. Therefor, when you release the pressure is off and the slingshot will jerk forward, like a gun recoil. The arm brace eliminates that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 13:42:08 GMT
A good slingshot doesn't jerk forward without the brace. The slingshot you got up there has a very high fork, which is completely unnecessary and does indeed strain your wrist . A slingshot with a very low fork does perfectly without one and takes a lot less space to store. Here are some examples of braceless slingshots that are without doubt much better than most commercial slingshots:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 17:48:19 GMT
So, are we talking about "Slings" or "Sling shots" here?
I don't know jack about customs in Austria or Australia, but I do know that it is incredibly easy to make a "Sling." I was at a friends house the other day... well, more like the other week, but that doesn't matter. So I was at a friends house recently and we we talking about slings. He went on about how he didn't see how it was possible to aim a sling. So I try to explain the physics but he still thinks that a sling should be a practiced weapon and not something just anyone can pick up.
Well, I had to prove him wrong.
I carry cloth rags in the car for general useage, so I took one of them, cut it in half, cut some holes in either end with my knife and singed the edges to keep them from tearing. Then took my shoelaces, and put one of each through the holes. In about 3 minutes I had a crude sling. I couldn't knock a bird out of the sky, but I could hit a man sized target about 50% of the time.
Granted, this was my first time EVER using a sling, and with the materials I was using... well, it was crude, but still a sling.
So if it's a "Sling" you want. Just get some scrap leather, even leather from an old purse, and some thin string and in no time you will have a sling.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 20:52:21 GMT
We're talking about sling shots with rubberbands but what you bring up is very interesting. I myself have experimented with ancient slings and found them to very very inaccurate with little training. Sling shots also seem to pack more punch behind the steel balls so I prefer them over the string+leather model known for thousands of years. How did you use yourse exactly to get rather accurate?
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Post by sparky on Sept 23, 2010 21:55:28 GMT
I don't know why but I read it as sling too. I was going to say I used to make mine out of string and the upper to an old boot. Looked a lot like the one that ludwig linked. But since it's about sling shoots I won't say anything. ;D In my teens I could knock a squirrel out of a tree, now though I'd probably hurt myself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 22:28:19 GMT
From a legal perspective in Australia it varies from State to State. I bought one years ago and was told to make sure it was not assebled until I got it home and to not leave it assembled if I wasn't using it. This all cames from our somewhat strange weapons laws here. Slingshots are not illegal to sell nor are they illegal to buy. They are just illegal to carry in public or even use as they are considered leathal weapon and you will be prosecuted under the Weapons Act (Queensland). So if you buy one, essentially, it is illegal to use. Just to show how screwy it can get here. I found this link showing the laws on slingshots in Australia. In some state they can be sold intact, others it is only legal to sell disassembled, while other again (get this) it is only legal to buy the rubber bands and ammunition. www.outdoorswarehouse.com.au/categories/Slingshots-%26-Ammo
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 23:29:05 GMT
From that last post it looks as though I can buy all parts assessmbled or unassembled "IN" Australia but it doesn't say anything about import. But all of those slingshots have no arm brace. Is that saying something or does this seller only stick the one type?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2010 0:00:03 GMT
From what I have been able to determine. They sell only this type as all slingshots with a brace are illegal to sell. One example of an explicit notice from Police in South Australia on the subject. www.sapolice.sa.gov.au/sapol/services/firearms_weapons/weapons_body_armour/faqs_weapons.jspIn Queenland there is actually a distinction between a shanghai and a slingshot. (Source Weapons Act 1990 Qld www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/CURRENT/W/WeaponsA90.pdf) shanghai means a Y-shaped device that— (a) has something with elastic properties fixed to it; and (b) is capable of being used to propel a projectile slingshot means a device designed for use with, or a component of which is, a brace that fits or rests on a person’s forearm or another part of the person’s body to support the person’s wrist against the tension of elastic material used to propel a projectile. On this basis they, I beleive, class slingshots as illegal to buy, sell, trade, import etc. But will allow the sale and purchase of shanghais (As long as you don't get caught using it ;D) Confused much. I know I am.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2010 1:21:01 GMT
Well I'm in Qld, but grew up in Vic and when I was a kid dad allways called em shanghai's.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2010 7:13:31 GMT
How did you use yourse exactly to get rather accurate? Well, I'm gonna chalk it up to an understanding of physics. When you have an object moving in a circle like that, it will fly straight the moment you release it. There is a common conception that the object will still move in a circular pattern as it moves further out, but this is wrong. So I just compensated for the amount of "Drag" on the rock. Which would be the time it would take for one half of the sling to fully release the rock. And then just made sure that when I was spinning it in a circle, that I had lined it up with the same plane that I wanted it to travel on. I've since built one out of leather, but I need to trim down the sides some as I'm getting some slow down from the excess leather flapping in the wind... maybe one day I'll make a weapons compilation video. Everything from slings to hand guns... with swords in the middle somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2010 17:49:00 GMT
We're talking about sling shots with rubberbands but what you bring up is very interesting. I myself have experimented with ancient slings and found them to very very inaccurate with little training. Sling shots also seem to pack more punch behind the steel balls so I prefer them over the string+leather model known for thousands of years. How did you use yourse exactly to get rather accurate? I’ve had a bit of a play round with sling (of the ancient type) before and got reasonably accurate. Nowhere near as accurate as one could be with slingshot. The thing that I find attractive about slings is the ease of carry and the intuitive nature of using them. You can just stick it in your pocket, and just carry it round with you, even if you don’t have any definite plans to use it. I also like the fact that you don’t “aim” you just develop a feel for using it.
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