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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2008 7:46:56 GMT
Hey guys, first post!
I have a Hanwei Bastard sword and a Hanwei William Marshall sword that I'm planning on customizing.
My question is how do I go about removing the epoxy crap that holds the hilts on these things on short of total destruction?
Has anyone else seen the insides of either of these swords. Or any similar Hanwei swords.
Thanks in advance.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Feb 6, 2008 8:01:09 GMT
Heat softens the epoxy, but to get the grip off you'd need to get it hot enough that it would ruin the temper.
Do you just want to get the pommel off, or the grip as well. The pommel can be heated safely, enough to soften the epoxy and get it off (after grinding away the peen).
The grip I'd just chisel off. It really easy to make a new grip if you have a belt sander, and a fine woodworking chisel. I've done stacks now. On the He Man sword I made I had to split the grip off and make a new one, which was annoying but not a huge job. I'll help you if you need. There's a basic tutorial in my Falchion making thread in sword making.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2008 17:25:02 GMT
Thanks for the reply. I was wondering about heat. What would the temperature cap be to ruin the temper. I was thinking maybe a 500 Fahrenheit oven might soften it up enough. I want to remove everything and then I'll decide what next. I definitely want to replace the hollow pommels. Plus the Marshall has stainless fittings for some reason ?
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Feb 6, 2008 17:31:25 GMT
you'd think for the money they could make a quality weapon
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Post by themaster293 on Feb 6, 2008 23:12:43 GMT
Stainless fittings aren't a bad thing. I would prefer it actually. But a hollow pommel is a bad thing.
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Post by ShooterMike on Feb 6, 2008 23:33:10 GMT
To remove the pommel, first try whacking it a few times with a rubber of plastic mallet. I've removed the pommels form an early Hanwei Bastard, a Hanwei William Marshall, and a new Hanwei Bastard.
The older swords with the hollow pommels respond well (or poorly, depending on the desired effect) to some serious hammer action. They will usually just fall off after 4-5 whacks.
The grips are usually pretty well done. you could start by just reworking the leather wrap. Or at least that would be my suggestion.
Good luck and feel free to PM me if you want more details.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Feb 7, 2008 1:30:57 GMT
If you need to apply heat, do it by a torch, not in an over. But try mikes suggestions first. Inspect the peen first, you may not even need to grind it.
Like Mike says you can redo the standard grip easily. But If you want to get the grip off and the cross, I think you'll need to destroy the timber, but it is easy and fun to make your own.
All the shiny Hanwei stuff is stainless. Theres no way to patina it, god knows I've tried.
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Post by zacaroni on Feb 7, 2008 2:45:44 GMT
I bought a hanwei bastard sword on impulse, and then read the review afterwards on this forum, a backwards plan I'm shameful to admit. But I wondered how bad this hollow pommel really could be. Since I want blades that will function first, looks next in line, I new this had to go. And I s**t you not, I twisted the pommel off the tang left hand pommel, right hand grip. I still have yet to redo it, but that's all it took, and that scares me. This is my only "european" blade, so I haven't really figured out what to do next, but a vice and a mallet oughta do the rest no problem. These swords won't be functional and safe with out shifting the works up the blade, as in Mike's thread on ricasso redo. A true bastard sword indeed! Dirty bastard. rabble rabble rabble.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2008 2:54:23 GMT
K so I've stripped the Bastard. I whittled the peen a bit with my dremel then whacked at the pommel with a mallet til it popped off. Then I skinned the leather wrap which exposed the glued two piece wood handle. I managed to split the wood cleanly enough that I can reuse it if I want. Then I slid off the guard. Now to search for suitable guard and pommel replacements. I may fabricate my own depending on what I can scavenge from work(hardware store) Thanks for the help guys.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Feb 7, 2008 3:03:55 GMT
You can get a selection of quite servicable pommels at this place: www.varmouries.com/vspecial.htmlYou may have to sand them a little, and you'll definately need to be able to slot them yourself. Don't touch their crosses, they are crap. But crosses are simple to make, if youve got an angle grinder and a belt sander, and a drill press, and I know you have a dremel..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2008 2:52:26 GMT
Just curious Brenno....
I'm in the process of some custom work myself.... I've spoken with DSA about some of their sword parts, and yes, just as I heard..... they're pretty steep price-wise...
What makes Valentine's crossguards so crappy? Are they poor steel, a bad fit and finish?
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Feb 11, 2008 6:29:40 GMT
They are crap. MmmKay? HaHa It's not too hard to make your own crosses if you have the tools and plenty of time, but when you realise how long this sword making stuff takes you'll be glad to pay DSAs prices too. What are you creating Kleveland? How's yours going Kiehlroy?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2008 19:11:17 GMT
HaHa It's not too hard to make your own crosses if you have the tools and plenty of time, but when you realise how long this sword making stuff takes you'll be glad to pay DSAs prices too. What are you creating Kleveland? Wow.... yeah they suck... I've got an old hand and a half sword that I was using for re-enactment and training... I put it up after the handle got loose, but I found it again while I was moving.... after I joined the forum, I decided to turn it into a pet project, but when I got the handle off, I discovered the tang was actually a weld, which left me pretty upset.... so, I'm cutting the blade down and changing the fittings, since the blade portion is good steel.... I'd warn you guys of the manufacturer of this sword, but its been so long, I don't remember who produced it, and Valiant Armory and Hanwei released identical swords, which makes it only harder to tell...
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Feb 11, 2008 23:07:05 GMT
You should put up a pic. I might be able to help id?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2008 18:19:10 GMT
There is a pic by pic of one that Aaron Schnatterly (the guy who does scabbards for Albion) is working on here. That might help when you go to put it back on.
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Post by oos3thoo on Feb 13, 2008 0:16:36 GMT
Man... Hanwei should stick to the katanas.
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Post by themaster293 on Feb 13, 2008 0:37:44 GMT
Man... Hanwei should stick to the katanas. Agreed. Though if they start to make their western line better, it would be okay.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2008 3:40:59 GMT
I got mine fully broken down, cleaned, and awaiting me to go to a local iron smith to buy the right scraps. It'll be a project for when the newness of my new Cheness Yamakami Ko Kat wears off
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