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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2008 11:18:25 GMT
i've been playing with the idea of doing my cold-steel O katana a new katatemaki wrap. does anyone know how to make this kind of tsuka wrap?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2008 16:41:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2008 10:00:53 GMT
thanks,klev. though i didn't quite understand how to do it, i appreciate your help.
does those hishigami make alot of difference in the overall tsuka (because i'm too darn lazy to use them)?
BTW:congrats on your new tsuka.looks great.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2008 18:45:41 GMT
Thanks for the compliment Google, I think the end result of my tsuka's pretty sexy too....
I'm a little fuzzy on how you transition from the diamond wrap to the straight wrap, once I get my tsuka back from Tom, I might be able to look it over and get back to you. From what I've been able to get from the site, you start the wrap just like you would any, but when you want to transition into the cord wrap, you cut one of the ends of the ito and just wrap the uncut cord around the handle as far down as you want it to go.
I wrapped a katana handle once before without the hishigami, and I didn't notice any difference myself, but I also was using a pretty thick leather shoestring. so I don't think it was necessary.
The hishigami seem to help hold up the shape of the diamonds better, work as a guide while wrapping, and to prevent the ito from slipping or getting irregular during use. Couldn't hurt to add them, but if you're just wrapping a beater katana, I can see you getting away without using them...
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 5, 2008 22:22:51 GMT
I once wrapped an old SLO with some leather. I didn't use any hishigami or rice glue, or any adhesive for that matter. The only problem was I tied the knot a bit loose so the kashira wiggled a bit which irritated a friend of mine enough that he glued the thing down. The wrap itself never budged and came out okay considering my first effort and with leather.
I'm also not clear on how to do this type, but would like to figure it out one day, along with all the other styles.
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Post by Dan Davis on Feb 6, 2008 12:54:56 GMT
Hishigami are important for several different reasons. Leaving them out will result in an inferior wrap that loosens quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2008 13:25:56 GMT
How do you define "quickly"?
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Post by Dan Davis on Feb 6, 2008 16:32:12 GMT
How do I define "quickly"? That depends on how strong you are and how tightly you pull the tsuka-ito when you wrap it. It also depends on what material you use, how likely it is to "relax" after stretching, and how much it deforms during application. It also depends on the tsuka core and how it is prepared (panel vs full wrap, raw wood vs rice paper over same, etc). It also depends on how much you plan to use the sword.
For a martial arts grade weapon using high-quality silk ito and a full same wrap I'd say around 8 hours of use before it starts to loosen is about right. In other words, 3-4 training sessions.
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Post by slav on Mar 3, 2008 22:22:18 GMT
If you don't want to do hishigami, and are okay with making your maki job permanent, you could work some shellac into the ito (if it is cotton) after wrapping. Use enough so that it soaks in nicely, but not enough to saturate it. This will "set" the wrap and knot, but will not fully harden it. This has worked well for me in the past as long as it is done carefully.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2008 2:34:32 GMT
I want to do my kat in this wrap, I think I would like to do it in leather but the guy who will probably end up doing it wants to do it in silk. My worry on the leather is it might stretch with use. This is my main cutting sword so it will be used a lot. I only want to do this once as the whole deal will end up costing as much as the sword.(new tsuka core, wrap,etc.) Any feed back,silk or leather?
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Post by Dan Davis on Mar 7, 2008 11:46:26 GMT
Overall, I prefer silk although both are historically common materials.
Silk, once stretched tightly, does not stretch much if any after that. Silk wraps usually loosen because the core itself shrinks (or because you didn't use hishigami). Leather is an animal material and tends to stretch or shrink with humidity.
Silk is a porous material and tends to deteriorate due to rot more quickly than leather. You are talking a matter of years or even centuries when using either material though; longer if you take care of them. The wrap will likely loosen before it rots out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2008 12:58:52 GMT
Dan, Thanks for the imput, I guess that settles it, I've had more people tell me silk so there you have it. For just a little under 300$ I'll get a custom made Tsuka core full sami wrap(Black) Dark blue silk ito. And the guy said he might upgrade the fuchi and kashiri also. Something for you guy's to check out. I'm going to do my Zato in the Kaifu Zuka #8. home.planet.nl/~sebregts/ Thanks!
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Post by slav on Mar 9, 2008 4:21:32 GMT
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Mar 9, 2008 6:26:31 GMT
I have an off the wall idea what about a cord wrapping instead of the normal ray or shark skin same ..... like a cord soaked in a heavy water based liquid glue maybe a flat suede or narrow hemp so it will hold a good dye job ....... just a thought tell me what you think
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Post by slav on Mar 9, 2008 7:01:14 GMT
You mean epoxy-soaked cord wrap instead of the same, and then ito wrap over the hardened cord? That's actually fairly common on tactical japanese-style blades. Like this: or this: I think it would look pretty cool for a tactical sword, but it is not very traditional, so I would choose not to use it on a blade with regular koshirae. It is a good idea in general, though!
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Mar 9, 2008 7:29:51 GMT
thats what I had in mind ..... I don't know enough about japonese swords to what a koshirae is let alone if my gen2 has a regular one I just want to redo my tsuka and keep the origanal as a kind of dress tsuka
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