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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2010 21:55:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2010 22:24:23 GMT
The're not giving it away, are they?
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Post by Dom T. on Aug 28, 2010 23:13:29 GMT
I used to drool over that one too.... Something about it's look and proportions just makes it so attractive to me.... But then that one thread about the tangs of Hanwei's Chinese swords came along and made me go: Maybe I should talk to Jin-shi or someone else about making something like it... that doesn't cost about half of an arm. Eventually, anyways.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 1:01:27 GMT
I used to drool over that one too.... Something about it's look and proportions just makes it so attractive to me.... But then that one thread about the tangs of Hanwei's Chinese swords came along and made me go: Maybe I should talk to Jin-shi or someone else about making something like it... that doesn't cost about half of an arm. Eventually, anyways. The tang WOULD be an issue, if this sword had a tang. The wootz is a solid piece construction the only thing on that sword that isn't a solid forged piece are the leather cord wraps.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 1:55:44 GMT
I used to drool over that one too.... Something about it's look and proportions just makes it so attractive to me.... But then that one thread about the tangs of Hanwei's Chinese swords came along and made me go: Maybe I should talk to Jin-shi or someone else about making something like it... that doesn't cost about half of an arm. Eventually, anyways. The tang WOULD be an issue, if this sword had a tang. The wootz is a solid piece construction the only thing on that sword that isn't a solid forged piece are the leather cord wraps. Exactly. From what I remember of the sword, the cord wrappings are really only their so you're not gripping the bare steel of the tang/hilt. I guess you could say that the tang is integrated into the hilt since, with this sword, they're the same thing. I think the main issue, aside from the price of course, would be the fact that, excluding the Cutting Jian, almost all of their Chinese swords are pretty much worthless for cutting. I think this one would be fine, seeing as it's got such a wide blade (and it's only about 23" long). The question, then, would be if it has a proper edge to it and, if not, could one be put on it without ruining the sword?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 2:08:22 GMT
The tang WOULD be an issue, if this sword had a tang. The wootz is a solid piece construction the only thing on that sword that isn't a solid forged piece are the leather cord wraps. Exactly. From what I remember of the sword, the cord wrappings are really only their so you're not gripping the bare steel of the tang/hilt. I guess you could say that the tang is integrated into the hilt since, with this sword, they're the same thing. I think the main issue, aside from the price of course, would be the fact that, excluding the Cutting Jian, almost all of their Chinese swords are pretty much worthless for cutting. I think this one would be fine, seeing as it's got such a wide blade (and it's only about 23" long). The question, then, would be if it has a proper edge to it and, if not, could one be put on it without ruining the sword? All good questions. I guess the thing to do would be to take advantage of KoA's 45 day no question's asked money back guarantee and see for myself... But there's the issue of NEEDING TO SAVE MONEY lol Sorry, I have to keep yelling that at myself as it seems I keep running my credit card up as soon as it gets paid down *sigh*. Also I would really really hate to get this sword from KoA and then not like it and return it. I know they have the guarantee and all, but I would still feel bad. I'm just like that, I guess. I did that with the Russian Kindjal I got from them. I really don't like it, but there was nothing wrong with it whatsoever so I felt bad about sending it back and ended up keeping it. I'm trying to cut those little nubs off to see if that makes me like it any better, but the little buggers are tough.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 2:44:33 GMT
I don't think you should feel bad for returning it because you did not use the weapon in any way that damages it, making it tough to sell it back. When I was initially venturing into swords/gladius, I bought the gen 2 pompeii based on everyone's recommendation that it is a solid weapon. Granted it is a solid weapon but I don't like the way it handles...oddly I like the Deepeeka Pompeii better than that, which is lesser of the sword but I could easily customize it to suit my need. So I return it.... plus I paid for shipping so the only thing they might lose is the initial shipping cost. It is their generous 45 day return policy that gives them another edge over other vendors IMO. Sticking to this point, I find the POB of this Hanwei Wootz...lets call it crucible shall we it a little too close to the hilt. To my little knowledge, jians, including the Han fitting jians, have pretty forward PoB...this one resembles more like an arming sword than a Jian. Perhaps the metal guard and the pommel fittings contribute to the POB close to the hilt.... On the other hand I gotta admit I love the fittings and I would not cut with something that expensive It is a lovely looking sword and does not conform to the usual generic Han fittings they used in Chinese forges. [Edit] Kinda think about it I should not have comment too much given I've had not handle the weapon at all...I just don't know when to shut up
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 2:56:10 GMT
Exactly. From what I remember of the sword, the cord wrappings are really only their so you're not gripping the bare steel of the tang/hilt. I guess you could say that the tang is integrated into the hilt since, with this sword, they're the same thing. I think the main issue, aside from the price of course, would be the fact that, excluding the Cutting Jian, almost all of their Chinese swords are pretty much worthless for cutting. I think this one would be fine, seeing as it's got such a wide blade (and it's only about 23" long). The question, then, would be if it has a proper edge to it and, if not, could one be put on it without ruining the sword? All good questions. I guess the thing to do would be to take advantage of KoA's 45 day no question's asked money back guarantee and see for myself... But there's the issue of NEEDING TO SAVE MONEY lol Sorry, I have to keep yelling that at myself as it seems I keep running my credit card up as soon as it gets paid down *sigh*. Also I would really really hate to get this sword from KoA and then not like it and return it. I know they have the guarantee and all, but I would still feel bad. I'm just like that, I guess. I did that with the Russian Kindjal I got from them. I really don't like it, but there was nothing wrong with it whatsoever so I felt bad about sending it back and ended up keeping it. I'm trying to cut those little nubs off to see if that makes me like it any better, but the little buggers are tough. To go a little off topic, is there anything specific that you didn't like about the Kindjal? 'Cause I've been dying to get one for years (no money, or I'da snatched it up before now).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 2:58:46 GMT
@eques: You make a valid point about most Jians being made with forward balance, however this sword design is the chinese equivalent of an english side-sword. Quoth from the Hanwei information page about the wootz " patterned after a Han Dynasty cavalry weapon" And from a personal standpoint I prefer light and quick weapons. The <2lb weight and the pob being almost at the guard means this sword is a dream blade for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 3:01:22 GMT
To go a little off topic, is there anything specific that you didn't like about the Kindjal? 'Cause I've been dying to get one for years (no money, or I'da snatched it up before now). It's MUCH smaller in hand than it appears on the website. the handle feels like a 3/4" dowel rod in hand, and the bulky knobs on it just get in the way of any sort of maneuvering. The shape of the handle easily prevents loosing the sword if it were wet with sweat or blood so I don't understand what their purpose is. edit: fixed quote bracket
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 3:09:32 GMT
I agree it would handle beautifully with PoB close to hilt and its light weight. Whenever I looked at a sword, I would always asked myself " how does the sword differ from the orignal sword"...too pessimistic for a guy on budget like me...lol. The bulky knob is a poor replica of the authentic Russian kindjal...it is more of a decoration IMO than any function.... and the bulk should be some kind of semi-precious stone just like this picture I've googled...(edit:obtained from historical arms and armor):
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 5:03:27 GMT
To go a little off topic, is there anything specific that you didn't like about the Kindjal? 'Cause I've been dying to get one for years (no money, or I'da snatched it up before now). It's MUCH smaller in hand than it appears on the website. the handle feels like a 3/4" dowel rod in hand, and the bulky knobs on it just get in the way of any sort of maneuvering. The shape of the handle easily prevents loosing the sword if it were wet with sweat or blood so I don't understand what their purpose is. edit: fixed quote bracket Well, the size doesn't matter much to me, because I prefer shorter swords (the longest sword I'll use is a katana, though my preference goes is more the size and shape of a liuyedao) as opposed to the, in my mind, hulking Euro swords that often have 35"+ blade lengths. However, I'm not sure what you mean by the dowel rod; is it bulky, rough, unfinished?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 5:18:49 GMT
Oh no, it's finished just fine and the blade and everything fits solid. It fits nicely in its sheath. Everything fits well, I just think it's too small for me personally.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 5:40:30 GMT
Makes sense, makes sense. Good thing I like both short swords and curved swords, so it ought to fit me pretty nicely, I'd think.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 18:41:59 GMT
I don't know, maybe I'm just picky but seeing the Chinese characters on the scabbard looks fakey to me! I mean it's a repro of an ancient jian and it has modern script ! I would have perfer the old archaic writing...I dunno it's like seeing a Roman gladius with cursive Italics!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 19:20:24 GMT
You know, I took another look at the specs for this sword and I'm starting to think I wouldn't like it as much as I was previously thinking. Overall length 31" is just over the BLADE length of most Katana. Blade 23 3/4" the blade is under 2' that's short as hell. I think I'm going to eventually just take the overall LOOK of the sword and see if Brendan or Mr. Lundemo can make me something similar but to non leprechaun specs
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Post by Dom T. on Aug 29, 2010 19:38:50 GMT
Dammit, youse stealin' mahs ideas! 'Cept you're probably more likely to be able to actually afford something nice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 20:50:50 GMT
No time soon lol. Fhtagn, the orchid, and my new fable blade have wiped me out til at least the middle of next year. Hopefully I can restrain myself from running my credit cards up any more and can get to the point where I can actually SAVE UP for a damn nice sword lol
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