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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2010 5:45:47 GMT
So, the next area for me to expand my collection into is sabers. There seem to be 4 main producers: Deepeeka, Weapon Edge, Windlass and Cold Steel. There is also GG Godwin and Blockade Runner but I'm not sure where they get their swords. I'm hesitant to buy Deepeeka or Weapon Edge simply because I want my swords "cut worthy" and these two manufacturers don't seem to be that. I will buy windlass--I happen to like most of the windlass swords I've got. But what about Cold Steel's sabers? Do they live up to the company hype (like anything really could )? Only a couple reviews here and they are rather old. So what's the current deal--are they worthy sabers?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2010 20:02:44 GMT
Hello Pogo
I have heard very similar descriptions of CS and Windlass sabers, both are rumored to be ''cutting ready'' but top heavy swords. Compared to older, real sabers, they are rumored to be much slower, however they are still functionnal cutters compared to the WeaponEdge products.
That's what I've heard, never had any of these sabers in hand, unfortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2010 22:21:53 GMT
So, the next area for me to expand my collection into is sabers. There are several issues in dealing with entry level sabers. Are you collecting primarily to have live practice weapons, or do you want historical significant swords at an entry price, or do you want as accurate recreation as possible for the cost? In no particular order, the Cold Steel swords are probably the best live steel playthings you can buy in the sub $400 range. There are several windlass swords that probably would work ( but I haven't been happy with the grips on their CW stuff - peened and loose.) Weapon Edge look right but for their price model they have rudimental tapering and disappointing harmonics. Their sabers will cut. But can never be sure what they used for steel ( ie 1045, 50, 60 ). Weight and distal taper for all these swords is ahistorical. Go to ebay and wait a chance to get a real saber for under $400. You'll immediately feel the difference. ( Usually. See my comments on the Swedish 1893 enlisted cav sword. woof, woof. ) Sorry, if this doesn't quell your concerns. What sword do you fancy? That might help narrow the field.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2010 22:57:08 GMT
Thanks, guys.
Well, I'm not a history guy so actual historical pieces aren't my main interest, here. Though if I could pick one up inexpensively enough I certainly would--that is if I was sure I was getting something I could be confident was what it was being sold as.
Also accuracy not a huge concern. Mostly I like the basic form of the saber and would like to try a couple out as cutters (I'm strictly a backyard cutter--not a re-enactor). The 3 that attract me right now are the CS Napoleon, CS Light Cavalry saber and the windlass American Revolution saber.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2010 22:58:25 GMT
I got the Cold Steel 1860 heavy cavalry saber two days ago. This is my first saber so I have no reference for comparison. The sword is a bit heavy but not as heavy as I had expected. It came very sharp but I haven't done any cutting with it yet. The only complaint I have is that the hand guard was nicked up in a few places when it arrived. (Not due to shipping damage). It came with a British proof test certificate so I'm not sure if the damage occurred during the testing or not. Overall it's a well put together sword in my opinion and I'm pleased with it.
Nice collection davekelly!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2010 23:21:01 GMT
Hi Pogo I actually have a Cold Steel 1796 LC saber on the way to me as we speak. Kult of Athena include the 'fighting with the saber and cutlass' DVD with their sabers and cutlass. Here is Shootermike's review on the 1796 LC . This is without a doubt one of my favourite swords ;D I hope to get an original antique at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2010 17:06:47 GMT
I have heard that the 1796 by CS is overweight and the like, but having handled it I'm not sure how. It felt nice in the hand and wasn't slow at all. The originals must have been real feathers, somehow.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2010 19:53:12 GMT
I have heard that the 1796 by CS is overweight and the like, but having handled it I'm not sure how. It felt nice in the hand and wasn't slow at all. The originals must have been real feathers, somehow. M. Michael, Go to the Baltimore Antique Arms Show in March and you will get to see for yourself!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 4:41:39 GMT
It's tempting; if things go well this year I might just do that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 12:55:36 GMT
Table after table of historical goodness...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2010 22:10:57 GMT
Oh that's fantastic. I think I shall have to drag the girl along with me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2010 10:10:06 GMT
Just received my CS 1796 LC Saber. She's a beauty! Two things surprised me, the sharpness and the handling. The leather (and apparently wood) scabbard on the other hand not so much If the Cold Steel version handles reasonably well, the originals must be frighteningly quick.It feels alive in the hand. The only other saber I have is the Windlass hunting saber and it feels like a dead weight in comparison. All in all it cost me slightly over 350NZD. Not bad when you consider that to buy the same sword here would cost me a staggering 650NZD. And since I got it from Kult of Athena I got a free 'fighting with the saber and cutlass' dvd. Not bad at all! Now all I need to get is the Heavy Cavalry version and both of their antique versions and then I'm set. Well, I say that...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2010 1:29:15 GMT
Ugh, now I'm considering getting that sabre instead of their smallsword so I can get that DVD o.O
Costs way too much to buy on it's own.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2010 4:19:17 GMT
Been watching the first DVD. Pretty good so far. How much does the DVD set cost? I'm keen to see how much I saved ;D Edit to add: Holy crap. 100USD That's another 140NZD I saved from this purchase. Feeling pretty good right now!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2010 7:06:05 GMT
Seriously. I wonder why they're giving them out free? I've always wanted a copy, but never figured out why it would be workth 100USD.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2010 7:19:24 GMT
Although it is a good introduction to Saber and Cutlass fighting, 100USD is just too much. Personally I'd value it at around a third of that price, maybe a smidge less. For 100USD I'd probably buy a couple of books and a buckler from KOA instead
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 18:25:00 GMT
I have both the CS light and heavy cav sabers. In my opinion the 1860 heavy cav is the better deal; it cuts better, the handling is better and it's better balanced. The tradeoff is that it has an agressive distal taper and a very deep, wide fuller, so the blade is whippy. As long as your form is good it's a joy to cut with though. If you buy it from the special projects division of cold steel it's a little more expensive but they throw in the saber fighting DVD for free.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 2:51:59 GMT
I have the CS versions of the 1796, the 1860, and the shamshir. Each has its pros and cons. The 1796 cuts almost as well for me as the grosse messer, and the 1860 isn't far behind. Plus, the 1860 outreaches even the Grosse messer. The DVD is very good especially if you are as inexperienced as I am in swords, and IMHO it's easily worth $50-$60. My Secret Santa at work snagged me a copy for $20, which was awesome!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2010 12:25:13 GMT
Thanks, guys. The 3 that attract me right now are the CS Napoleon, CS Light Cavalry saber and the windlass American Revolution saber. I have all 3 of these sabers and I can tell you that all 3 are great cutters and well made re-creations of the originals. Windlass makes the sabers for Cold Steel but to a bit higher degree of fit and finish. I am very pleased with mine and can recommend them highly. I can also recommend the Windlass Steelcrafts Union Cavalry Officer's Saber and Union Staff and General Officer's Sword. They have beautifully etched blades and mine are very good quality. I had KOA sharpen mine and they did a great job.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2010 16:30:07 GMT
I've gotten the Windlass 1860 Heavy Calv. US sabre, it seems very slow and has a very forward balance.
I'm not sure about if it's because it isn't of the greatest make (peen came loose after several heavier cuts), or if historically, they were made that way.
Now thinking of selling and getting the Cold Steel Light Cav.
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