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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2010 15:17:28 GMT
On another hand, the gentleman whose videos were being tossed around here not long ago, the ones comparing a German longsword to a katana made by the same fellow...what was his name? Anyway, would it be correct to call his German longsword a legitimate European, even German sword? Or would it still fall to the realm of replica? Well, that's another debate. Stefan Roth www.seelenschmiede.de/frameset.htm (sorry, the webpage is in german) is the smith you're thinking about. I love that video ;D BTW, great explanation Random.
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 8, 2010 15:33:12 GMT
Ah, yes, Mr. Roth. Man makes some pretty swords. I'm glad I managed to make sense and that my thoughts were clear. As I'm sure is obvious, as is the case with many of us, I've been pondering this subject for quite some time. All I did was write what I've come up with so far. I'm glad it was helpful and that others agree. Edit: phone typos
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2010 17:24:25 GMT
I just like the fact he was willing to destroy two swords merely to dispel a myth. (I loved, loved, loved that video)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2010 18:06:41 GMT
He smacked blades together to destroy a myth...I suppose there's meaning behind that.
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Post by YlliwCir on Jul 8, 2010 18:08:18 GMT
Random, I also enjoyed your explanation and am in agreement with your assessment. The following is me just nitpicking but then that is common when talking about this type of subject, in my opinion. We do like to dissect our words no? Some of Albions descriptions of their swords from their website: They are not look-alikes or replicas -- we call them re-creations.But then they say; No detail is too small to replicate faithfully. Replicate as is replica? They also say; Each sword is hand-made to order with time-proven traditional construction and no shortcuts or compromises.I'll leave the "handmade" be but I don't know how traditional using a computer guided machine is. More words; Our swords are entirely made in America of the highest quality materials -- but with a distinctly European flair.I'm really not making any point about the subject of this thread, just a comment about how we use words. ;D
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 8, 2010 18:14:52 GMT
Hmm, good point. I've never really bothered to read their descriptions as such. Seems even they're a little confused about what they do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2010 3:31:57 GMT
That reminds me, +1 to random. And just so nobody gets confused, I have absolutely nothing against Albion and would like to own one someday. They were just the perfect example for what I was trying to say.
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Post by YlliwCir on Jul 9, 2010 9:43:30 GMT
Ditto on the Albions, Master. I was cutting with my Albion Poitiers and Atrim 1315+ the other day and was actually able to make some better cuts with the Albion and that's saying something. I also like the way the Albion is constructed better than the Atrim.
Okay boys, not in the face.
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Post by shadowhowler on Jul 9, 2010 13:43:35 GMT
I also like the way the Albion is constructed better than the Atrim. Okay boys, not in the face. To some point I agree with ya Ric... On most of the Albions I have seen, the peen was so well done as to be invisible, they blend it with the pommel and you can;t even see it. Also where the blade meets the guard is WAY cleaner and more flush then the Atrims I have. I hear this is changing somewhat with some of Gus's new swords... and from what I have seen of the Makers Mark and the new lines, I say 'Yum!'... but with past swords I agree, I like how Albions are assembled better. I DO like your point about words... I think its a good point. I dislike misleading marketing hype... and some of that stuff on the Albion website certainly qualifies.
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Post by YlliwCir on Jul 9, 2010 18:22:43 GMT
Sean, what I especially like about Albions construction is the pommel and guard are secured to the tang independent of the grip instead of a compression type construction common on cheaper swords. I don't know which method Atrims newer peened models use.
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Post by shadowhowler on Jul 9, 2010 18:33:16 GMT
Sean, what I especially like about Albions construction is the pommel and guard are secured to the tang independent of the grip instead of a compression type construction common on cheaper swords. I don't know which method Atrims newer peened models use. Nor do I... I have not yet had a chance to handle one of the newer peened Atrims... perhaps Tom or Marc will chime in on that. I agree with you tho about the Albion construction... as well as the over all fit an finish of the sword just being much cleaner. Its an Albion Strongpoint.
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