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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2010 4:00:21 GMT
Yes yes, I know. There wasn't such a thing. But I was wondering the other day that if one of us had time traveled back and introduced the threaded pommel to some smiths, if we wouldn't see some museum pieces with a threaded pommel.
Naturally I brought this question to SBG to hear what you guys think.
If the threaded pommel was introduced in the middle ages, do you think it would have stood the test of time?
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Post by Dom T. on May 8, 2010 4:23:52 GMT
Well, if it caught on enough so that there'd be a surviving sample for someone to fish out of a river somewhere in Europe....
Wouldn't the threading be difficult for the medieval smith to recreate though? That's what I'm wondering. Threading would just be extra work for them, yes? Don't have all that fancy shmancy machinery to make standardized stuff? Wasn't that the reason the hex-nut didn't catch on? Something about the lack of standardized nuts and something or other, and a peen just being easier? I think Tinker said something about that in a post somewhere on the forum.
*I'm not even sure what I'm saying right now. Probably should go to sleep. Maybe see if I can clarify at all in the morning. It'll probably be all gobbledygook though.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2010 16:09:28 GMT
``Another method that is historically accurate is a threaded construction. This is where the end of the tang is threaded and the pommel is screwed over the tang``.
This is what is on the Reliks website. I don`t believe that they were threaded because every historical example I have seen in person or in books has a peened pommel. Not threaded.
Still, I do wonder why they put that in their site under Windlass Functional Sword Construction. Maybe that is what windlass told them?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2010 18:59:41 GMT
Well, obviously the middle ages didn't have any threading machines around, but I was thinking of a "dirty" way of doing it would be to heat up the end of the tang, and then screw a very early nut on. The nut would probably only consist of a cylinder of metal with two small rods puncturing it on either side, leaving the inside of the cylinder with two small fingers of metal pushing inwards.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2010 21:46:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2010 22:22:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2010 2:34:54 GMT
I don't think it wasn't thought of, so much as it wasn't practical. Rifling on firearms I think appeared in the 16th century, though without the abality to machine parts it was highly impractical, and only found on rich people's hunting pieces. Threading doesn't seem to have been used really before the 17th century, probably because it was difficult, and peening usually did fine.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2010 5:09:47 GMT
Thanks Simon! I really need to get out to other sword forums more often. But it seems that anymore, I use my time to check SBG and then time is up.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2010 19:59:41 GMT
It existed. But it was obviously very rare because it was hard to do. Machine threading didn't appear until the industrial revolution so peening was really the easiest method.
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