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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 2:57:31 GMT
Edit: Ok, before anyone reads this. Do not try it ever. I tried it on a sword that I didn't care anything for and the Rain-X sped up the rusting process. If you want 2 years of rust in 30 minutes, then this is the thing for you, otherwise, don't let this stuff come close to your blades.
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So, I was pulling my cutting stand out of my trunk today and had noticed a bottle of rain x I had long forgotten about. Well, with sword related items in hand, I got to thinking if it would be a good idea to use rain x on my blades.
The only thing that could go wrong is that there is some special chemical in rain x that would stain the metal and ruin the finish forever, but I'm almost willing to risk it.
You see, when I go out cutting, the cutting sessions last for a few hours. It's not constant cutting, but we cut some, talk some, cut some more. So I'm wondering if rain x might be a good barrier while I'm cutting, and for storage go ahead and wipe the blade down with alcohol and then use the standard oils.
Any thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 7:31:57 GMT
After a little goggling for the active ingredients I came across this.
"The active ingredients in RainX are Silicone Oils, Siloxanes and Silicones, di-Me, hydroxy-terminated. These chemicals form Si-O-Si bonds with the surface of the windshield and have Methyl-terminated hydrophobic tail group which repels water. So, it should only work on true glass that is silica based, as the bond will only form with the Si-OH groups that are on the surface of the glass."
So it sounds like it would not really work on the metal of a sword. I do like how you were thinking out of the box on this though. Never know when you might stumble on something that will help you out.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 8:18:39 GMT
Awww curses.
I still intend to try it, but after reading that I don't think it would work at all. Luckily tho, I've come across a new guinea pig sword! I'll do the application tomorrow and post the results.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 9:31:34 GMT
I've used a silicone gun and reel cloth on my swords for several years. It seems to keep the moisture off of them, even if stored in scabbard in a humid enviornment. I'd think Rain X might have the same effect, being imbued with silicone oils and all. Give it a try and let us know how it works out....
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Post by Dan Davis on May 5, 2010 11:50:28 GMT
No. Rain-X will not work any better or last any longer than plain old oil.
The free hydroxyl ions will certainly F* up your blade though (or any steel, for that matter).
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 4:16:21 GMT
The free hydroxyl ions will certainly F* up your blade though (or any steel, for that matter). Hydroxyl-terminated silicone fluids harm steel? I thought most anti-corrosives and epoxies had this as an ingredient. I am not saying that I am not mistaken, just wanting some clarification for my own knowledge.
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Post by Dan Davis on May 6, 2010 12:02:05 GMT
Rain-X is not a common anti-corrosive; it is a fluid specifically designed to permanently bond to a surface and remain there. It does this by forming oxide bonds with the surface. The Hydrogen ions bond with the silica in glass, so that the hydroxyls are there but they are not in a free state.
If you don't put it on glass it doesn't form those Si-O-Si bonds and so remains as a reactive ion. Put it on steel and it forms Fe-O bonds instead.
Fe-O bonds are known as "rust".
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 18:22:02 GMT
Thanks for explaining, Dan. It's good to understand how some of these processes work; you learn something new every day!
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Post by Dan Davis on May 6, 2010 18:25:06 GMT
Regular silicone-based treatments work quite well though.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 13:41:49 GMT
I used to bottle Rain X in high school.
The ingredients stated are correct. But they only make up 2% of Rain X.... the rest is all alcohol.
Fire destroyed the packing facility in the early 90's
What about Silicon spray?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 20:34:52 GMT
I know its not swords,but I sometimes use it on my paintball marker barrels to great effect,but then my barrels are all either aluminum or carbon fiber so,actually no relation at all,please forgive my brainfart moment.
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Post by sicheah on May 8, 2010 0:37:04 GMT
I used to bottle Rain X in high school. The ingredients stated are correct. But they only make up 2% of Rain X.... the rest is all alcohol. Fire destroyed the packing facility in the early 90's What about Silicon spray? Silicone spray works well for me. Would not recommend on a Japanese blade that you want to do traditional polish or hybrid polish on it (especially folded blade) since they are pretty hard to remove. Otherwise they are pretty good. Shake it spray on cloth. Apply on blade and buff it.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2010 1:28:17 GMT
DO NOT USE RAIN X!
LoL, I am SOOO glad I used a sword that is now my "testing" sword. I applied the rain x, held it out in the rain for a couple of seconds and set it in the dry. Came back 30 mins later and there was rust where the rain had hit. Not the winky dink "Oh, I forgot to wipe down my blade after cutting" corrosion, but it looked like the kind of rust you'd find in a junk yard.
I'll go ahead and change the OP so that no one thinks this is a good idea.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2010 3:01:17 GMT
Wow. Thanks for the heads up Dan, and way to take one for the team, Greg. +1.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2010 19:18:12 GMT
hhmmm rust you say?.... very very interesting
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