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Post by sicheah on Apr 30, 2010 23:11:12 GMT
Hey guys, Ever since I stupidly deleted and have my account remade, I've just receive note that Kris Cutlery is now stocking up some Roman gladius and they are usually sold out pretty quick compared to other swords. Granted KC pompeii gladius is not as historically accurate as Deepeeka pompeii gladius and a little large compare to your average pompeii gladius, but they well made and I personally would consider it the best pompeii gladius (despite some historical inaccuracy) in the sub $300 range. On the other hand, I've recently acquired a Deepeeka plain pugio:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2010 23:56:14 GMT
very nice pugio i like them alot thank for the heads up about the gladius
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Post by Kilted Cossack on May 1, 2010 1:30:47 GMT
I was wondering what had happened, when I saw you listed as a guest.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2010 14:46:12 GMT
Sicheah, did you sharpen that pugio? It looks like it has a secondary bevel. What do you think of the construction and steel on those? Thanks for the update on Kris Cut. looks like they had a shipment come in.
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Post by sicheah on May 1, 2010 19:26:36 GMT
Sicheah, did you sharpen that pugio? It looks like it has a secondary bevel. What do you think of the construction and steel on those? Thanks for the update on Kris Cut. looks like they had a shipment come in. The pugio is sharpened by KoA for an additional fee and yes it has a large secondary bevel (well made in my opinion). The steel on the grip and the exterior of the scabbard is excellent despite some light rust and some grinding mark, which I removed with some 800 grit sandpaper and proceed up to 2000 grit to get the original mirror polish. The blade has a nice mainz shape to it, although it is rather thick and has a large midrib. I am planning to reduce the size of the mid-rib in the near future. I don't know too much about the temper but it seems to hold a decent edge when I use a needle file on it. I've manage to write up a short review here: /index.cgi?action=display&board=otherweaponreviews&thread=16051&page=1
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Post by torawashi on May 1, 2010 20:32:00 GMT
Sicheah; I didn't know KOA would sharpen Deepeka products, as it's not mentioned on their website. Did you have to sweet talk them? Anyway, that's a great looking pugio. Congratulations.
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Post by sicheah on May 1, 2010 21:27:41 GMT
Sicheah; I didn't know KOA would sharpen Deepeka products, as it's not mentioned on their website. Did you have to sweet talk them? Anyway, that's a great looking pugio. Congratulations. Well when I was inquiring about the pugio, I asked them if they could sharpen the pugio; in which they agree to do so for a decent fee. Thanks, the Roman pugio is pretty sweet. Some of the newer Deepeeka Roman product (those with "N" in their product numbers) were substantial improvement compared to their older line. Though one needs to be careful because their QC tend to be spotty.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2010 15:09:17 GMT
i would think its a safe bet to sharpen the knives deepeeka make just not the swords you have to remember the sword are constructed like a traditional sword just not well tempered but must ancient swords wernt either compared to todays standards
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 1:38:28 GMT
I know the KC gladius gets knocked for it's historical accuracy, but it's more accurate than most other gladii in the price range (except for the Deepeeka -- but it's a much better sword for actual use than the Deepeeka). And the main problem is that exposed brass "gaurd plate", it should be inset into the gaurd. But other than that? The grip is a bit larger than an original would be, but at least the shape is decent. The scabbard is better now that it's leather-covered, but it's a bit plain. And that's really about it. It would make a great basis for a home-improvement piece, if you really wanted to make it more accurate. But as I mentioned it's actually a lot closer than most other mass-produced low-cost gladii.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2010 21:07:33 GMT
Got any stats on the KC gladius? Weight. POB. I just about pushed "buy" at the Albion site to purchase the new Trajan gladius. It's a lot of cash and I'm still not sure if it is worth it or not. It appears that Albion shapes their handles to assist with blade orientation and a lot of reviews of the sub $300 gladii complain of rounded handles. Thanks.
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Post by sicheah on Jun 5, 2010 21:23:03 GMT
You could easily find the stats on the KC gladius at KoA kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=KRSRGThough KC gladius suffers from historical inaccuracies such as the slightly large wooden handle, and expose brass guard plate, it is one heck of a fine sword there for the price... it would be as though as the Albion if not tougher lol and it comes with a scabbard. Personally I like the looks of the Albion Trajan but I could not justify the cost of it. It is really up to you there. Edit: The KC handle is not rounded, (more like orthogonal) and the slightly larger handle might be more comfortable with the hands. I find the historically accurate handles a little small for my taste.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2010 21:39:33 GMT
Sicheah,
Thanks. Yeah, I looked at the model on KoA but wasn't sure that the current KC is the same model. Looks like it might be. I e-mailed Cecil to find out.
It really is a pretty good looking sword, perhaps a little on the heavy side if you compare to the Albion swords. Having a scabbard is a big deal too but I was preparing myself to make one if I had to.
I'm going to think hard on this because if I get the KC sword, that means a TFW ginunting is also a possibility. If I purchase the Albion I might have to hide from The Boss for a while. Is more better or is better actually more? Hmmm?
Anyone have an Albion that can preach on its virtues vs. a KC or Gen2?
Todd
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Post by sicheah on Jun 5, 2010 22:49:33 GMT
Lol my previous post seems a little bias... I have the Albion first gen spatha (not gladius) and there are lots of good things that can be said about Albion swords. Granted they tend to be a little expensive, but the fit and finish on their swords are excellent. The best thing from Albion is that they have put in time in research and studying existing swords in order to produce swords that feels and handle like a functional sword. You could say their swords are historically accurate in terms of handling. The trajan is based on the pompeii gladius of Gutmann collection here (scroll down): www.romancoins.info/MilitaryEquipment-Attack.htmlReally depends on what you want, if you want a tough sword and don't care too much on the historical accuracy, KC gladius would be my option. If you want something that handles closer to a roman gladius....personally if Albion is slightly cheaper I would have pick them hands down...I just can muster the budget.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2010 23:24:20 GMT
Thanks, Sicheah. You'd think being a grown man that I'd be able to make a decision. I need comfort food. Where's the chocolate?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2010 23:56:37 GMT
Okay, I have to ask, how do you like the spatha?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2010 21:58:34 GMT
the kc gladius is now on sale at there site for 249.00
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Post by sicheah on Jun 6, 2010 23:38:53 GMT
Lol the bad thing first The first gen spatha I had has a secondary bevel and very little distal taper. It is blade heavy and weights slightly heavier than their latest ones. Although one would easily dismiss it as a bad sword, spatha historically has a very foward PoB (including their newest offering) due to the organic hilt, and was designed for slashing rather than stabbing like the gladius. Another good thing from Albion is that the fit and finish of the sword is excellent as well as the heat-treat (it flexes well ) In my case, the first gen is that is was much cheaper than their latest offering. On the other hand their latest offering seems much lighter, has a decent distal taper, no secondary bevel (of course) and should handle much better.Personally I really like the Decurio spatha from Albion but I doubt I could afford that anytime soon Edit: Regarding the Albion Decurio, there is an interesting (somewhat heated) discussion involving Peter Johnsson of Albion at the RAT forum. Unfortunately you will need to register to view it as the article is in the RAT subforum "Marketplace" (secret answer is 80)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2010 2:38:03 GMT
Okay, I'll confess ignorance here ...what/where is a RAT forum? thanks. Todd
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Post by sicheah on Jun 7, 2010 4:57:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2010 6:07:48 GMT
Well, that was an interesting exchange! Thanks.
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