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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2010 20:25:29 GMT
A question.... Purchased a DSA 100 Years-War sword from KOA, from the sale page for $189.95. They advertise this sword as having a peened pommel. The bottom of the pommel however, is quite smooth, and shows no traces of having a tang button , peened or otherwise. Sorry no pictures yet-working on getting camera. Again, the bottom of the pommel is extremely smooth and shows no button at all. Could it be possible that this weapon actually has a threaded pommel? Just checking......
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Post by Dom T. on Apr 24, 2010 22:24:41 GMT
I believe that the all older DSA swords had threaded tang. It's possible that they had and older one in stock and you got one of those. I also have a DSA 100 yrs war sword, but I bought it directly from DSA within the last year or so, and it does have a peened pommel. I do not know how long ago it was they still used threaded for all of their swords. As you can see here in Paul's review of the DSA Knight, from god-knows-when, the sword has a threaded tang: www.sword-buyers-guide.com/knight-sword.html
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2010 23:07:04 GMT
I had suspected as much, hearing somewhere that their older models were indeed threaded; however I still think it's strange that KOA would advertise this model as peened if it wasn't, since so many of their other DSA blades are advertised as threaded and peened, both new and old. I guess the best indication if it's peened is the presence of the tang button after all though; and seeing as this one has none it must be threaded after all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2010 23:26:16 GMT
you can always get in touch with koa for this and if it doesn't work get in touch with Eyal about this
it sucks you didn't have the right one...
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Post by Major, Cory J.~ on Apr 25, 2010 1:48:41 GMT
KOA, SOMETIMES, uses the same info for the regular priced (newer batch) as the clearance (older batches) and sometimes things change between batches, like peened pommels, and they just forget to update the clearance pages. Or they may have sent you the wrong sword by accident, just call them and I'm sure they will fix you up if there was a problem on their end. If your worried about the threaded pommel, I have a DSA Black Knight with a threaded pommel. It came loose once on me, when I first got it. I contacted Eyal (as I was completely new to the sword world, and didn't know about this forum ) on how to fix the issue. He said to put it in a vice (after adjusting the screw) and screw it on until its tight and then if its not perfectly in place (Like so: ) Then tighten it more to correct it. rather then lessening it off. Since then I have cut HUNDREDS of bottles, chopped fire wood (Yes, I realize I shouldn't do that, but hey, its my beater!) and cut down small trees. Hasn't loosened yet!
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Post by Dom T. on Apr 25, 2010 3:37:39 GMT
I have a second hand 1st gen (I think) DSA Gothic. I've not had problems with the pommel, but I haven't really cut with it (its also kinda a thrusting sword, yes?). Also mine had some leather work and stuff with the handle and scabbard, so it could have been fixed somehow. So basically, I just typed all that out to say I have no clue if threaded pommels are a problem. Lol.
*That vice thing sounds pretty handy, btw. Just bought a vise for myself (you would not believe the lack of DIY tools and such in my house, jeez). If I ever need to tighten a threaded pommel, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks. +1, eh, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 4:44:31 GMT
After some extensive research I have determined 3 things..... #1- the pommel on my DSA is absolutly devoid of any tang button whatsoever and shows no washer-nut assembly of any kind. #2-Several minutes spent attempting to "unscrew pommel" were futlile, as pommel didn't budge so much as a millimeter. #3-At this point- the old adage "If it ain't broke don't fix it" should obviously being entering some peoples minds.If this sword is does ever come loose I suppose it will just be dealt with then.It doesn't really bother me in the slightest if it's peened or threaded- as long as it stays together is my primary concern, so I guess time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 5:32:37 GMT
If your worried about the threaded pommel, I have a DSA Black Knight with a threaded pommel. It came loose once on me, when I first got it. I contacted Eyal (as I was completely new to the sword world, and didn't know about this forum ) on how to fix the issue. He said to put it in a vice (after adjusting the screw) and screw it on until its tight and then if its not perfectly in place (Like so: ) Then tighten it more to correct it. rather then lessening it off. Since then I have cut HUNDREDS of bottles, chopped fire wood (Yes, I realize I shouldn't do that, but hey, its my beater!) and cut down small trees. Hasn't loosened yet! Umm...if it´s a small adjustment needed that is fine...however assuming that the handle is fitted properly, this is gonna add quite a bit of stress to the handle core...which could cause it to fail...which could cause a helicopter o death. The better option is to use loctite if you wanna be able to disassemble again or JB weld if you want a permanent fix.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 19:05:36 GMT
I had an issue with the pommel on my Windlass war sword not lining up when tightened all the way, I managed to fix it by sanding off a little from the end of the handle.
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Post by Major, Cory J.~ on Apr 25, 2010 20:53:57 GMT
If your worried about the threaded pommel, I have a DSA Black Knight with a threaded pommel. It came loose once on me, when I first got it. I contacted Eyal (as I was completely new to the sword world, and didn't know about this forum ) on how to fix the issue. He said to put it in a vice (after adjusting the screw) and screw it on until its tight and then if its not perfectly in place (Like so: ) Then tighten it more to correct it. rather then lessening it off. Since then I have cut HUNDREDS of bottles, chopped fire wood (Yes, I realize I shouldn't do that, but hey, its my beater!) and cut down small trees. Hasn't loosened yet! Umm...if it´s a small adjustment needed that is fine...however assuming that the handle is fitted properly, this is gonna add quite a bit of stress to the handle core...which could cause it to fail...which could cause a helicopter o death. The better option is to use loctite if you wanna be able to disassemble again or JB weld if you want a permanent fix. Sorry that picture was just an example, thats what it looked like before I contacted Eyal. then he told me to adjust the nut, and re-tighten.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2010 21:12:19 GMT
Here's my two cents. I think that the grain of the metal and the grain of the sword happen to line up so well that the seem can't be seen. What you might wanna try to do is take some food coloring and drop it where the peening should be. But if you've decided that it's not broke, then yeah, don't fix it. But yeah, I think that it might be just an awesome peening job. If you had a friend that worked in the medical field, you could xray it
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2010 21:34:40 GMT
Update- This sword is indeed threaded. Pliers with cardboard wrapped around pommel and twisted right off.I'm actually ecstatic, because in reality I was considering spending more for a threaded model, just so if I wanted I could get it apart.The grip was a pain to get loose, and I suspect that I may have luckey in being able to dismantle entire sword.This model does not hav a screw or washer assembly, Major, can you show me what you mean by "after you adjust the screw"? Anyways, since it's apart I cold blued the pommel and guard with some oxpho-creme and they now have a light-grayish steel color that looks way better. My pommel would'nt go on tight and straight either, and I'm still trying to figure out why.I'm currently attempting to shim the handle with washer so pommel will be tight and straight (perpendicular with guard assembly). Will keep you all updated.
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Post by Major, Cory J.~ on Apr 27, 2010 0:43:56 GMT
Hmmm. So its just a solid pommel with the "female" threading? Interesting.
How far is it off by when you tighten it? A washer could do the trick if you find just the right thickness, you could also try sanding a bit of the grip down a bit, so you have that extra room to tighten. But I am no expert, so take my advice with a grain of salt.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2010 1:35:05 GMT
Update- Major, you are correct. It is indeed a solid pommel with threads on inside (the tang of the blade is threaded on bottom to mate with pommel). I have come to learn that a round or fluted pommel would actually be ideal for this type of assembly, as one would not need to concern themselves with lining the pommel up perpendicular with the guard (just screw on tight and go!) like you do with the wheel-shaped pommel. I had to try different washers of varying thickness before I made one of leather that ended with a TIGHT pommel that lined up with the guard. Definitely a learning experience and I'm glad I found the nerve (or stupidity) to wrench that pommel off with pliers, or otherwise I woulden't have been able to blue it and the guard.Stay tuned- pics next week.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2010 19:58:56 GMT
I like peened pommels for historical accuracy but threaded are great because it is fun to take things apart!
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