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Post by Kilted Cossack on Apr 5, 2010 17:52:10 GMT
Friends, Romans, countrymen . . . no, not right at all. Hmm---fellow victims of Rome? No, that's not right either. Hey dudes. OK, so I've been watching the Showtime show, Spartacus: Blood and Sand. It took me a while to get into it---the first episode drove me into a frothing "why am I watching this cheeseball ripoff of 300" type rage, but it did get better, at least by my lights, and who wouldn't want to hear Lucy Lawless talk about genitalia? Anyway, the reason this is posted under "Ancient Swords" and not under "SBG Cafe" is because I want to pad my post count. No, wait, that's not right either---it's because I have an actual SWORD-RELATED issue to raise. I'm rewatching it now on Netflix.com, all streamified, and I've seen a couple of fairly clear shots of the Thracian swords. (Note: not the gladiators the Romans call Thracians, but, you know, Thracian Thracians.) I'd put a dollar against a doughnut that they're using Kris Cutlery Celtic swords. Not the anthropomorphic ones that Gen2 and everyone else (seems like) use, but the leaf blade with the flat, U-shaped guard riveted to the blade. Do I owe someone a dollar, or am I right? Yours in stabby goodness, KC
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2010 19:12:18 GMT
That's what it looks like to me.
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Post by YlliwCir on Apr 5, 2010 20:02:40 GMT
KC, I noticed that as well (when I watched the first one again, with the sound down and just looking at the weapons, I agree it got better but then it pretty much had to, eh?). I have that sword and it's close enough that I won't claim your dollar but I don't think it's excactly the same. The arched guard looks a bit wider on the movie one and I couldn't make out a slightly slanted cut out on the grip where it meets the guard, the KC (the company not you) one has that. I could be wrong but I think they either made one based on the KC Celtic or the one the Celtic was based on. Sorry for the picture quality, my good camera is still down. Nice sword btw.
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Post by Kilted Cossack on Apr 6, 2010 2:10:20 GMT
Ric:
In all honesty, I could be talking out of my butt here. I don't think I've ever seen a sword set up with that U-guard/rivet combination, except from Kris Cutlery, in Spartacus, and in a clip from the new remake of Clash of the Titans (I think). I did my cheap and dirty research----also known as going to myarmoury.com and searching for 'celtic'----and saw a reasonable number of anthropomorphic or quasi-anthropomorphic hilts, but nothing like KC does. One of the things that leapt out at me in terms of comparing the Spartacus and KC, um, "Celtic" swords was the triangular ricasso. Dang, am I even describing that right?
Since I'm a skirt wearin' fool, anything tagged with "Celtic" grabs my eye, and if I'm remembering rightly, one of the first reviews I read here was cs76cs's about the KC Celtic . . . and I still think it's a very tempting blade, and a fine review.
Spartacus has indeed grown on me----it's no "Rome" but I'm enjoying it, which is a surprise after the first episode, which I stopped watching about ten minutes in for pure-dee 300 ripoffishness. It's still cheese, but I likes me some fromage!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2010 16:05:07 GMT
I can't wait for it to get on dvd.
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Post by YlliwCir on Apr 6, 2010 17:13:19 GMT
I pulled up Spartacus on Starz on demand and took another look. Damn, that could well be the same sword. Even looks like he's using the same crappy sheath it comes with. His road dog was using a gladius btw, a decent looking one at that. Yeah, I agree it got a lot better, but I'll have to watch it without my woman now. The first ten minutes put her off it bad. She loved "Rome".
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Post by Kilted Cossack on Apr 10, 2010 14:01:05 GMT
I continue to quite enjoy it. It's no "Rome" (which I need to pick up on DVD), but it got tons better and I'm having fun with it. Sometimes the repetition is laid on a little thick ("kill them all" has been used how many times now?) but, still. In order to keep this (somewhat) on topic, was the sica really a sword? Or was it more daggerish?
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Post by shadowhowler on Apr 10, 2010 16:32:24 GMT
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Post by YlliwCir on Apr 10, 2010 17:42:53 GMT
Sean, that one looks more like the Ritter Steel Celtic than the KC. I like the look of that one even given RS somewhat iffy rep.
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Post by shadowhowler on Apr 10, 2010 17:51:56 GMT
Sean, that one looks more like the Ritter Steel Celtic than the KC. I like the look of that one even given RS somewhat iffy rep. True... I forget about the Ritter Steel one myself because I've never really given it a chance given the nature of most of Ritter Steel's 0fferings.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2010 18:25:01 GMT
Spartacus is currently the bomb-diggity in Roman period entertainment....the show rocks. I am not really a big fan of the production Celtic swords. However, this is on my list for a Celtic-type anthropomorphic sword offering: ollinsworddesign.com/osd-production.html#L12
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Post by Kilted Cossack on Apr 10, 2010 18:48:47 GMT
Spartacus is currently the bomb-diggity in Roman period entertainment....the show rocks. I am not really a big fan of the production Celtic swords. However, this is on my list for a Celtic-type anthropomorphic sword offering: ollinsworddesign.com/osd-production.html#L12Whee doggies! (Whee-diggity?) I like 'at 'un. Pointier than I'd expect, but I could just call it Romano-Celtic and argue about two feet of edge vice eight inches of point!
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Post by Kilted Cossack on Apr 11, 2010 2:24:43 GMT
Further reflections and bibbly-babbly.
I'm of somewhat mixed emotions about the KC Celtic sword being presented as a Roman republic era Thracian sword. First off, the negative!
Maybe the Thracians were Celtic, but I doubt it, and I doubt if the sword form they would have used was very similar to the form of the Kris Cutlery Celtic sword----as I mentioned in an earlier post, it's the only sword of it's type I've ever seen, and I tend to lump it into the "woulda/coulda/shoulda" category----i.e., a fantasy blade. That's about the whole down side.
Here's the up side. I feel a true geeky, insider joy at being able to spot and identify a particular sword in a swords'n'sandals (and salacious!) epic. Heck, I'm proud of being able to follow the (really very easy) XP instructions and do a screen-capture, and even more so that I was able to modestly crop it to remove bosomsage. (Sorry!) Plus---assuming I'm right that it's the KC Celtic---I get a huge kick out of the fact that the prop department either used, or modeled, a darn fine little sword for a decently budgeted historical show. Someone did some research. (If not for pure-dee historicity, then at least for "what's a good bottle ready ancient sword that's not a gladius?") Man, I dig on that!
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Post by YlliwCir on Apr 12, 2010 6:09:38 GMT
Check this bullsemprini. That's not a Kris Cutlery Celtic. The bullsemprini comes in because that fellow in the vid is my homey and he is using a KC.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2010 10:47:05 GMT
i love that sword as well, and i have seen designs that look very much like it , but they are bronze age swords everytime i see them
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Post by Kilted Cossack on Apr 12, 2010 11:30:03 GMT
Check this bullsemprini. That's not a Kris Cutlery Celtic. The bullsemprini comes in because that fellow in the vid is my homey and he is using a KC. I hate that kind of stuff. Some people, no shame, no shame at all.
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Post by shadowhowler on Apr 12, 2010 15:51:08 GMT
Check this bullsemprini. That's not a Kris Cutlery Celtic. The bullsemprini comes in because that fellow in the vid is my homey and he is using a KC. Well, I can clearly tell its not a KC Celtic by the guard and pommel... you saying they snagged your friends video from somewhere... say youtube... and just used it without his permision, and in the vid he *IS* using the KC Celtic? Epic lame. Did you report them?
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Post by YlliwCir on Apr 12, 2010 16:19:35 GMT
i love that sword as well, and i have seen designs that look very much like it , but they are bronze age swords everytime i see them Aye, Leo, like this one; Image taken from this thread. Well, I can clearly tell its not a KC Celtic by the guard and pommel... you saying they snagged your friends video from somewhere... say youtube... and just used it without his permision, and in the vid he *IS* using the KC Celtic? Epic lame. Did you report them? The video is from Youtube. I suggested that sword to Mark myself and have been in that very spot cutting with him. Got some pics and video of it here on the forum somewhere. I considered contacting the seller but my wife suggested I give Mark a heads up and let him deal with it. His dog and fight so to speak.
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Post by shadowhowler on Apr 12, 2010 17:43:03 GMT
I considered contacting the seller but my wife suggested I give Mark a heads up and let him deal with it. His dog and fight so to speak. Ah, your wife is wise, as they often are. Yeah... its his video and image they are using, best to let him decide how pissed he is about it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2010 20:50:48 GMT
yup, thats one ive seen and also when i do a google image search or iron age swords and bronze age swords i get a couple that look close to them aswell
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