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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2010 16:46:18 GMT
If you think about it, the whole sword making process could be done with robots. If there was a greater demand for swords, it wouldn't surprise me to see an assembly line doing EVERYTHING from blade shape, furniture work all the way down to wrapping the grip. So I think in comparison to modern day wares, having a human do 80% of the work would, by all means, be called "hand made" I wonder if someone is allowed to get away with calling something hand made if more then 50% of the work is done by hands. That would be my dream sword, 100% robot made, laser sharpened, perfect fittings and an impossibly tight wrap. (Other than a genuine nihonto made specifically for me, like that's ever gonna happen lol) I'm an artist myself so I can appreciate the work that is put into high-end swords, however I also notice every little flaw in the low-end ones since I'm used to nit-picking my own work. I think if they do any of the work by hand, even 1%, they can still call it handmade. Pushing the start button on a cnc machine probably counts as hand made lol. Maybe I'll be the person to start the 100% robot made sword company, I bet a lot of you guys would be interested lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2010 20:15:12 GMT
Ah, you must be talking about cheness Hmm, sword snobbery There is a lot of us that love our Cheness swords, I own three now, how many Albions would that have bought me Not to mention that Paul likes them, where do you think I got the idea to purchase them, by reading Paul's reviews of them. They certainly don't feel heavy to me, and I am not very strong compared with a lot of people
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Post by randomnobody on Mar 22, 2010 21:25:04 GMT
And then there are those of us who don't know how to take a joke. Let's not make this another Cheness thread.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2010 21:55:30 GMT
Hey Doolie, if you do start up that sword making robot, send me a PM. I have an associates in electrical engineering, and I'm damn good a soldering But I can appreciate both aspects of a "handmade" sword having flaws as well as the robotic precision that our future swords might be made with. For instance, the wrap on my VA304s is slightly jutting out and not tucked in all the way, and I LOVE it. She's kinda like my beautiful woman with one of her ears being oddly shaped. It's something thats hardly noticeable, but it makes my sword distinctly mine. And I would appreciate it that if there are any other 304s owners out there, that have the same imperfection, would keep it to yourselves. You'll ruin the magic.
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Post by sicheah on Mar 22, 2010 22:11:29 GMT
Handmade is just like another "battle-ready": marketing hype. Technically most if not all swords today consist of combination of machine made and hand made in various stages of production. Personally I am more concerned of the structural integrity of the sword. On another note, a sword hand-assembled by an untrained person could be unsafe for usage. Why no entirely machine made swords? The key is volume and cost. Spending a ton of money on equipment sophisticated to produce a sword mostly/entirely of machine made requires tons upfront cost (and research cost too since no-one has made one machine yet). Unfortunately the market for any type of swords is quite small...at most thousands per year. In contrast to steel production or aluminum cans, it is mostly machine made and they churn out millions of units per year. It is just not cost effective for swords. Cheness crowbar...lol. Care to guess what the phrase "handmade swords" and "9260 steel" have in common
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2010 23:43:17 GMT
And then there are those of us who don't know how to take a joke. Let's not make this another Cheness thread. Smilies would help Especially for those of us who have Aspergers and such, we often need extra help to know when someone is kidding Humor is a huge challenge for me, in many cases I may emulate, but don't fully understand
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Post by randomnobody on Mar 23, 2010 0:08:50 GMT
And then there are those of us who don't know how to take a joke. Let's not make this another Cheness thread. Smilies would help Especially for those of us who have Aspergers and such, we often need extra help to know when someone is kidding Humor is a huge challenge for me, in many cases I may emulate, but don't fully understand That's what the :-p in the original post was for. I don't like asparagus. (yes, I know; another joke)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2010 1:01:35 GMT
I for one would love a machine that spits out finished swords at the push of a button, but that's because I'm a lazy bastard who's always looking for shortcuts. Smilies would help Especially for those of us who have Aspergers and such, we often need extra help to know when someone is kidding Humor is a huge challenge for me, in many cases I may emulate, but don't fully understand That's what the :-p in the original post was for. I don't like asparagus. (yes, I know; another joke) Fortunately, I don't have the same problem with my asparagus as swordmonger7 does. I do sometimes pretend to lack a sense of humour simply out of spite, however. (Especially when faced with the kind of jokes that require smilies to be successful.)
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Post by randomnobody on Mar 23, 2010 1:06:11 GMT
Eh, the internet does that. I actually make those faces when I talk in real life. Text doesn't. Sword machine, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2010 14:18:32 GMT
Combine the Sword Machine with a Way Back machine and we could get actual historical asparagus, ummmm I mean swords at the push of a button.
Count me in
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2010 11:26:31 GMT
I'm pretty sure Gus Trim marketed his "machined" blades right up as machined.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2010 18:53:25 GMT
The question I have is which is the better blade, a hand made forged blade or a cut out from bar stock? Or if you life depended on the blade not breaking which would you choose? ?
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Post by Kilted Cossack on Mar 25, 2010 19:33:36 GMT
whalozan:
I think it depends not so much on the technique of construction, but the quality of construction. There are good, and crap, hand forged ("pound") and machined ("ground") blades.
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Post by shadowhowler on Mar 26, 2010 10:46:18 GMT
The question I have is which is the better blade, a hand made forged blade or a cut out from bar stock? Or if you life depended on the blade not breaking which would you choose? ? The deciding factor one the quality of the blade is NOT if its made by hand or by machine... and blade made form a good steel and great, well maintianed machines held to stric quality standards will be better then a hand made blade made buy a guy with no skill... and vice versa.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2010 1:01:52 GMT
You guys have to consider that a blade that is actually drawn from a brick of steel is stronger by a small margin because the micro structure of the steel is more uniform. When the sword is just cut from a sheet and hardened it is weaker because of the higher probability there are flaws in the micro structure. Angel sword found a way to make CNC blades equal to ones they forge using their therma cycle treatment to make the grain tight and uniform. The hanwei raptor is a blade I am pretty sure is machine cut and hardened. And it stands up very well.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2010 1:11:22 GMT
If swords were to become standard in combat again swords like the raptor would be standard issue. Think of the ka-bar.... A knife that has been military issued for 60 years... The knives themselves are not very impressive. Also think of the late Bob Engath... he never forged a sword... they had the benefits of good heat treatment and skilled polishers to make them great.
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