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Post by shadowhowler on Feb 1, 2010 21:56:16 GMT
Silver is for werewolves, though. As a matter of fact, traditionally, one is said to have a much better chance at harming a vampire with steel then silver. Depends on which legends/themes you go with... in some Silver has been linked to Vampires as a weakness. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2010 21:58:50 GMT
Looping of a leg with a false edge cut? That's... difficult, I mean, REALLY difficult, false edge cuts don't get that powerful. Depends on the sword but I don't think you could do that. I've never seen a false edge cut go through a double tatami mat with wooden core or something similar.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2010 22:34:04 GMT
Depends on which legends/themes you go with... in some Silver has been linked to Vampires as a weakness. I can't say I've ever heard of any tradition that describes them as vulnerable to silver outside of pop-culture. Though, it's been a while since I've actively tried to keep folklore and pop-culture apart. Put like this: if you can find me any actual vampire legends where this was the case, I'd be very interested in hearing about them. Looping of a leg with a false edge cut? That's... difficult, I mean, REALLY difficult, false edge cuts don't get that powerful. Depends on the sword but I don't think you could do that. I've never seen a false edge cut go through a double tatami mat with wooden core or something similar. Heck, cutting off a leg with the true edge should be tricky enough. Especially if you are fighting an undead horror who's trying to bite your throat out. If you happen to be a damphir you might be able to pull it off, through.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2010 23:05:25 GMT
Looping of a leg with a short edge cut? That's... difficult, I mean, REALLY difficult, short edge cuts don't get that powerful. Depends on the sword but I don't think you could do that. I've never seen a short edge cut go through a double tatami mat with wooden core or something similar.  Well, alright, but, First off--Have you seen some of the short-edge cuts that shootermike can pull off? He's doing impressive stuff having JUST started on them. I'm sure he'll be able to lop off limbs soon with the back edge if he keeps at them. I'll bet it's possible. Second (And far more important): in this scenario I'm fighting VAMPIRES with a magic slayer sword. I can do whatever the hell I want. And I want to lop off a limb with a short-edge cut. Because it would be cool. Which is the basis for this entire fantasy. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2010 2:36:16 GMT
Well if the disscussion is about super cool vampire slaying swords the one in all fairness should bring Vampire Hunter D to the mix,his thin, oversized, curved blade as all he used to dispatch blood suckers. Of course him being a Dhampir helped as well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2010 5:55:42 GMT
You are incorrect in your surmise that there is no vampire genre, it started with Bram Stoker and continued to build through movies and novels and has now been changed by the horribly bad twilight. I can't believe how popular it is, I can't even believe it was published, it is dross and worse than.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2010 18:22:36 GMT
Looping of a leg with a false edge cut? That's... difficult, I mean, REALLY difficult, false edge cuts don't get that powerful. Depends on the sword but I don't think you could do that. I've never seen a false edge cut go through a double tatami mat with wooden core or something similar. I think we have just encounter a slight misunderstanding in terminology here. "False edge" is the sharpened portion of the back of a single edged sword. Now "Short Edge" would be the rear facing edge of a double edged sword. Given one can do a Krumphau with the short edge of a longsword I'm inclined to agree with Luna that a short edge cut can do some serious damage if applied correctly. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2010 18:55:35 GMT
I think both Luna and I meant the short edge... Actually, a Krumphau isn't an attack with the short edge, but the follow up after a krumphau can be a cut with the short edge... but I don't think it could cut through a human arm/leg. In a fight you usually use only fast, short cuts that are not that powerful... I doubt even shootermike could make such a cut, in a fight certainly not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2010 20:07:08 GMT
You are incorrect in your surmise that there is no vampire genre, it started with Bram Stoker and continued to build through movies and novels and has now been changed by the horribly bad twilight. I can't believe how popular it is, I can't even believe it was published, it is dross and worse than. It didn't start with Bram Stoker, but his book was the one that got popular, and that many of our modern ideas come from. I'm actually taking a class right now on Slavic folklore that covers the vampire and werewolf myths and thier modern interpretations, it's pretty interesting. I would say that there is a vampire genre, but that it's gotten more and more dilluted over the years. The biggest variation is that in absolutely all of teh original folk-tales vampire are purely evil, often demonic, creatures who exist to bring harm to mankind in some form or another. |
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Post by bull on Feb 2, 2010 21:25:03 GMT
I"ll throw my two bits in here just for fun.Blade 1-rocks.I would personally favour a double edged sword cane-a little surprise is always nice in a dark/tight situation.On that note-kill all blood suckers/they are not cute and cuddly.Gotta go-time for my medication!Love your designs Lunaman.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2010 4:47:47 GMT
the genre in terms of novels and writing. Yes I know the slavic folklore came first. In terms of what we might consider the modern day genre then yes it started with Stoker, I don't think anyone before Stoker wrote a novel about vamps. Also Stoker was the one to introduce the erotic aspect of vampirism, in folklore their is none of that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2010 9:34:54 GMT
the genre in terms of novels and writing. Yes I know the slavic folklore came first. In terms of what we might consider the modern day genre then yes it started with Stoker, I don't think anyone before Stoker wrote a novel about vamps. Also Stoker was the one to introduce the erotic aspect of vampirism, in folklore their is none of that. There were other vampire books before Dracula, they just aren't remembered these days. 1819, short story "The Vampyre"1845-1847, serial story "Varney the Vampire"(Does anyone else picture Barney from the Flinstones with fangs?) 1872, novel "Carmilla"1897, "Dracula"As far as any erotic aspect, there really isn't much of it in Dracula, at least not by our standards today, that's for sure. And there was certainly some erotic aspects in the folklore, since one of the things it was believed that vampires came back to life for was to have sex with their widows. The thing that made Dracula more influential than the others was that it stuck around for some reason after the others were all forgotten. Sorry if this is far more thorough than necessary, I'm just excited to get to actually use what I'm learning in class. That and I have way too much time on my hands. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2010 16:22:09 GMT
I think both Luna and I meant the short edge... Actually, a Krumphau isn't an attack with the short edge, but the follow up after a krumphau can be a cut with the short edge... but I don't think it could cut through a human arm/leg. In a fight you usually use only fast, short cuts that are not that powerful... I doubt even shootermike could make such a cut, in a fight certainly not. I didn't say it is a short edge attack as it is normally done with the long edge, I said it COULD be done as a short edge attack. This is evidenced in this vid: Also check RicWilly's cut at time stamp 1:35 in this vid - it's an unterhau with the short edge through tatami. I think this could be done powerfully enough to separate limbs. But we have differing opinions here so let's agree to disagree. eruialsul, if I remember aright "Carmilla" did have strong sexual over tones of a lesbian affair between the vampire and her victim. Great story though. (*post modified to add RicWilly's vid*) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2010 13:31:18 GMT
Yes, what RicWilly did was a cut with the short edge but not a cut you'd usually do in a fight. You don't have the time to haul back for a powerful cut but use fast cuts from the Huten. Btw, I would never use this cut in a fight because the right edge underhau is probably faster and certainly more powerful. I only use short edge cuts when there's no other right edge cut that would be better, for example after a krumphau where the cut to the head is much faster with the short edge. www.hammaborg.de/de/rekonstruktion/langes_schwert/krumphau/01.php |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2010 19:01:19 GMT
I very much enjoyed the first Blade movie... and was saddened by the lameness of Blade 2 and 3.  I used to play a lot of Vampire: The Masqurade... I had a LARP game at one point that had over 100 players... however... the new Tweener-Vampire Twilight crap makes wanna puke my guts out repeatedly, but to each their own as they say. There is an Odin-Blade that was inspiried by the DayWalkers sword... methinks you would dig it, Luna. ;D I also enjoyed the first Blade movie but was unimpressed with the second and third. I want to check out the DayWalkers sword you are referring to. |
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Post by shadowhowler on Feb 4, 2010 19:08:28 GMT
I want to check out the DayWalkers sword you are referring to. Ask and ye shall... you know... /index.cgi?board=fantasyswords&action=display&thread=13200&page=1 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2010 0:09:39 GMT
Yes, what RicWilly did was a cut with the short edge but not a cut you'd usually do in a fight. You don't have the time to haul back for a powerful cut but use fast cuts from the Huten. Btw, I would never use this cut in a fight because the right edge underhau is probably faster and certainly more powerful. I only use short edge cuts when there's no other right edge cut that would be better, for example after a krumphau where the cut to the head is much faster with the short edge. www.hammaborg.de/de/rekonstruktion/langes_schwert/krumphau/01.phpI understand what you're saying, however since my basis is CSA not WMA I'm initially coming from a system where short edge cuts are used heavily. I thought the question was simply about possibility not practicality. Then again I've seen short edge Hua (horizontal) cuts used in Chinese sword sparring quite a bit, along with Tiao cuts (a rising cut from a low guard think of it like going from Alber to Pflug in one movement). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2010 23:50:37 GMT
OK, I 'm confused, I thought that a false edge was not sharp, and therefore would be useless for cuts  If it is sharp, how can it be called a false edge I liked Blade, but I also liked Interview with a Vampire, and all of the books Anne Rice wrote after it. I also loved Moonlight (Please don't tase me Bros!) and was pissed at CBS for putting a stake through it's heart  I'll even take a risk here and say I liked Twilight (Have not seen the second one yet), but if vampires want to go against their natural nature and NOT kill people, then they aren't evil, it's just a story about how everyone can choose to serve good or evil, every being has a choice  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2010 0:36:16 GMT
Wow, I hadn't looked at this in a while....lol Good grief, folks, I meant "SHORT EDGE" not "false edge"--the one that faces you when you hold the sword-- (I'll go edit the other post, I apologize) and again: the only reason I mentioned it was because if someone was slashing up unarmored vampires with this blade in my fantasy, a second edge means double the flashy attacks you can make. Attacks that will look cool, not necessarily ones that will be effective against an opponent who is also armed with a sword. All this assuming that a vampire-killing sword will be made of some alloy that slices through bloodsuckers like adamantium through a straw mat. ;D I had no idea people could think more in-depth about this than I had. Kudos to you all.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2010 12:29:40 GMT
Sorry about the bit of derailment Luna. But hey, what's the use of a double edged sword if you're not using both edges. Though your design actually reminds me of a Han Jian with the small hilt section. |
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Well, alright, but, 
If it is sharp, how can it be called a false edge 
I'll even take a risk here and say I liked Twilight (Have not seen the second one yet), but if vampires want to go against their natural nature and NOT kill people, then they aren't evil, it's just a story about how everyone can choose to serve good or evil, every being has a choice 
