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Post by randomnobody on Jan 15, 2010 18:41:45 GMT
One final note I feel I need to address. Abuse=basic cutting in the hands of a beginner with no training.Done perfectly=with no imperfections or flaws. This is part of the problem I/we have with threads like this. Abuse is an action performed with direct intent to cause damage. The word the OP (most people who ask this) is looking for is "mistake." You want a sword that will be able to tolerate your "mistakes," not "withstand 'abuse'" or some such. Most all well-made swords can do this; DH or TH makes no difference here. Then we have the crowd that does, in fact, deliberately abuse. They were the target of my own initial post. My purpose in doing so, however, was to bring attention to the definition issue I mentioned above. Also, there is no such thing as perfect. Even the masters make mistakes, even with their swords that cost more than most cars, or as much as a house. Those swords don't always bend or break, either...but sometimes they do. I've seen a lot of indestructible swords on this forum...some in several pieces. Difference in DH and TH? With modern steels...one has a hamon, one (generally) does not. That's all. I feel like I've said that exact line before. I probably have. It might be on one of those other threads. Too many for me to go through.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2010 19:01:44 GMT
One final note I feel I need to address. Abuse=basic cutting in the hands of a beginner with no training.Done perfectly=with no imperfections or flaws. This is part of the problem I/we have with threads like this. Abuse is an action performed with direct intent to cause damage. The word the OP (most people who ask this) is looking for is "mistake." You want a sword that will be able to tolerate your "mistakes," not "withstand 'abuse'" or some such. Most all well-made swords can do this; DH or TH makes no difference here. Then we have the crowd that does, in fact, deliberately abuse. They were the target of my own initial post. My purpose in doing so, however, was to bring attention to the definition issue I mentioned above. Also, there is no such thing as perfect. Even the masters make mistakes, even with their swords that cost more than most cars, or as much as a house. Those swords don't always bend or break, either...but sometimes they do. I've seen a lot of indestructible swords on this forum...some in several pieces. Difference in DH and TH? With modern steels...one has a hamon, one (generally) does not. That's all. Excellent points and I agree. I apologize for my earlier statements.
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 15, 2010 19:21:44 GMT
No problem. I was out of hand, as usual, too. Just a little...maybe... I do get tired of these same threads, always going the same way...often with the same people...but I really, really wish we could establish some sort of firm rule. The fact that these pop up from time to time merely provides evidence to the simple fact that there is no real answer. Oh well.
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Post by sparky on Jan 15, 2010 21:03:22 GMT
Okay....... I have a heck of a time with the search feature on this board, I'm either doing something wrong or......... I'd vote for something wrong! ;D But anyway what if in replying to this "same old question" we provide a link to help with the "question"? Since he found it I won't try to find it, probably couldn't anyway. I'm guilty of using the word abuse too, I like mistake much better! Just sayin'...... ;D On a bright note I have learned from good old SBG that I have a whole lot to learn! ;D
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 15, 2010 21:12:46 GMT
I'd have linked if the question hadn't already been answered three times by the time I got here...I just wanted to point out the whole abuse thing. Don't abuse swords. As to the search system on this forum...it's not really all that complicated...but often it's not really all that great. Works at least as well as any Internet search method. It can only tell you what you tell it to tell you.
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Post by sparky on Jan 15, 2010 21:25:57 GMT
As to the search system on this forum...it's not really all that complicated...but often it's not really all that great. Works at least as well as any Internet search method. It can only tell you what you tell it to tell you. See I knew it was me, just ask my wife! ;D Yeah I watched a video of someone bending a sword back and forth till it broke........ it hurt to watch. Where as everyone will have a bad cut at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2010 21:36:42 GMT
All good points and again I apologize for any offenses and/or rehashing the same old questions and as i said my wording could have been better,I do see how the "mistake " "damage "miswording could bring about such a response,I will get a dictionary and thesaurus to avoid further confusion in the future.I tend to get alittle out of hand and well... you know....myself from time to time, so I do understand.I hold no illwill to you for your comments,and hope you feel the same,a bit of verbal jousting is always fun I say.And while I must say my very own forum sounds good I fear due to my lack of knowledge and info in this subject it would be a sad waste of cyberspace, so please share as I value what you have to offer.In good humor and with respect thanks to all for your comments and pls comment further.
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 16, 2010 0:56:27 GMT
I'm glad we're all still on good terms.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2010 1:58:11 GMT
We need to make this a damn sticky so we don't have to go through this everytime.
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Post by Kilted Cossack on Jan 17, 2010 3:19:54 GMT
two comments.
First: Beginners always ask beginner questions. It is in the nature of beginners; it is their essence. From the commanding heights (ha!) of my current knowledge, I look back with disdain on questions I earnestly posed regarding, on other fora, handguns and kilts. On other fora, I tried to make the effort to answer n00b, nugget, FNG questions as temperately and gently as possible.
Second: The search function at SBG is hosed. It is my only real complaint about the SBG forum. At least, the last time I tried to actually search here, the system seemed hosed. Maybe it is my browser or settings, I don't know. Maybe I'm just an idiot. (An open possibility.)
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jan 17, 2010 5:26:32 GMT
Second: The search function at SBG is hosed. I know that I can type in the name of a thread I know of and can damn well never find it. (yup set the other parameters etc) I gave up using the search function years ago too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2010 8:47:25 GMT
Well I have a DH sword and my brother just bought a TH. Since we bought them only a week apart and all I cut was a hand full of bottles before his came in they should wear in a similar manner so I may be able to answer more fully later. Just from the cutting we have done, bottles and some cane growing in the backyard, I noticed the flexibility of each is about the same. I'll try to keep notes whenever either gets damaged and how it happened though.
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 17, 2010 10:13:15 GMT
I think the biggest problem we have here with the search, especially for this particular subject matter, is too many of us use shortened terms or abbreviations. This thread, for instance; DH and TH are not "words" that ANY search engine would recognize; most requiring a length of three or more letters in the first place, similarly, the multitude of (mostly improper) terminology these threads devolve into makes them even harder to pin down with a "simple" search.
For the sake of a random sample, I just told the search engine here to find the words "differentially hardened" in the first 100 threads (specified vs posts) in the last 1000 days. It found this: /index.cgi
Doubtless this same conversation occurred at least once in each of these threads.
However, searching for "DH" under the same conditions, naturally, results in nothing. After all, it requires each term be four characters.
This is when "the old fashioned way" comes into play. Read more. Or, as they say on less-welcoming fora...lurk moar.
There are the new guys, and there are the FNGs. Don't be the FNG.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2010 13:44:32 GMT
For the sake of a random sample, I just told the search engine here to find the words "differentially hardened" in the first 100 threads (specified vs posts) in the last 1000 days. It found this: /index.cgi Doubtless this same conversation occurred at least once in each of these threads. However, searching for "DH" under the same conditions, naturally, results in nothing. After all, it requires each term be four characters. The link you provide takes me to the regular forum index. Having made some attempts myself, it seems the main search function at the top of the page works better then the board-specific ones.
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 17, 2010 15:33:33 GMT
Oh, shoot, you're right...it does that. I forgot. Also, yes, the main is key. I never use the board/thread specific searches; too narrow.
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