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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2010 22:35:33 GMT
Big Edit: I'm rewriting this whole thing...it was pretty late when I first wrote it and can't believe how badly I worded it. Also I've made some huge improvements to the original design, and wanted to nuke the old images. Alright, I've had this design in my head for a few months, and finally tried my best to create a visual concept of it. I can't even draw a strait line if I have to, so I used a 3D program to do a very crude 3D mesh and outline. This is not a fantasy/historic sword...it's a sci-fi design (perhaps one I'd like to have custom made some day), so I have no problem with having some non-traditional features. Anyway, the basic premise is this: A saber style sword that has a blade profile similar to a combat knife, and a trench knife D-Guard. I'm picturing it to be in the 28-32" range. It can be broken down and assembled with no tools, and could utilize modular components quite easily (different styles of blades, guards, grips, and pommels). The pommel is inspired by the magazine cap on my Mossberg 590 shotgun. I need to do some models to better show the concept for those not familiar with it, but the idea involves a serrated rim on the pommel and a detent pin on the back of the guard. The result would be a pommel that could be screwed on and off easily, but should not be able to shake loose during use. Overall, I like the profile this thing has, even though I don't really have the artistic skills to do it full justice. I'm curious to find out how feasible it would be to construct, and if it would "work" well as a functional sword. -Jonathan
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2010 2:23:50 GMT
After doing a little research, I came up with a suprise...someone put together a knuckle duster sword out of a Patton saber blade, black garden hose, and a knucklebow manufactured by Foster Brothers. Seems to be WWII vintage, probably a one of a kind conversion, as I haven't found any other info on it. Still, quite an interesting piece. -Jonathan
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2010 3:14:10 GMT
28-32" in a trench? I wonder, have you ever been in a trench? It would be unwieldy at that length in a trench, maybe 20-23 inches, especially as a stabbing weapon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2010 3:35:09 GMT
This isn't meant to be a trench warfare design. "Trench" is only used in the name as an alternative to "Knuckle Duster". The knuckle duster sword above was made well after trench warfare had become obsolete, but the word "trench" seems to evoke the same design image in one word, and is more readily recognized (I would think at least).
After all, plenty of "trench" knives have been made since WWI, and still are...but none of them are actually meant for use in trenches anymore.
It's actually meant to be related to sabers/broadswords. I'm aiming to make a versatile close combat weapon that can stab, slash, chop, punch, pummel, etc...while having the grittier, more brutal appearence of turn-of-the-century trench weapons.
Probably should have stated that earlier...not really related to trench warfare at all. It just features the "trench" style.
-Jonathan
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2010 21:58:50 GMT
Hey Jonathan, I think your trench sword is cool The only changes I would suggest is real spikes on the knucklebow, make the knucklebow and handle long enough for two-handed use, and perhaps widen the knuckelbow a little for a bit more hand protection. Then I would totally want this sword
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2010 22:11:54 GMT
Hmmm...not sure how it would work as a two hander, with a D-guard and saber/broadsword style. Maybe it could be managed... As it's designed to be modular, a spiked knucklebow could easily be an option, but I designed this type first because I wouldn't want spikes personally (too prone to catch on things, usually). There is a spiked knucklebow design I am quite fond of, from Fallout 3 (the first expansion to it, actually). The partial knuckle duster design is what really draws me to it (countoured to the knuckles, but not going all the way to the grip between the fingers). I actually wanted to model something like this guard for my original concept - but it proved a bit too difficult for me. I actually wouldn't mind having an exact replica of the Fallout 3 trench knife...not a bad looking blade at all. -Jonathan
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2010 15:48:21 GMT
I wouldn't mind giving a blade like that a try......
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Post by brotherbanzai on Jan 10, 2010 17:50:15 GMT
That Fallout 3 trench knife is pretty nifty. That wouldn't be hard to make either. You could actually make your own with readily available parts. The blade is like one of the Rambo knife replicas. Take that blade and remove the old grip. get a piece of mild steel bar-stock for the knuckle bow. Drill holes for screw in spikes (you can get them all over the place), bend to shape and attach. Ta-da instant trench knife! Though a hand made one would be cooler.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2010 19:42:54 GMT
Actually it seems a lot of oddball trench knives back in the day were kind of personal hack jobs...meaning there are quite a few unique styles, and even one of a kinders out there (like that batton saber conversion I posted earlier). Would be interesting to do a conversion on an old knife...might just give it a try myself.
As for the sword design, I happen to be working with a very good 3D artist at the moment, and I'm going to have him do a proper, fully textured model that can show a few variations (blade and guard styles, etc). I'll post those when they are done and see what everyone thinks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2010 13:05:50 GMT
Just elongating a fighting knife will not look good IMHO. Swords are not just big knives.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2010 21:06:57 GMT
That's usually true, except in the case of quite a few chopper type swords. I wanted something that could be used sort of like a hybrid between a falchion and a broad sword, but with trench knife style.
As far as blade style goes, a falchion is pretty much a really fat and long fighting knife...I like the blade profile on them and some other choppers, but wanted something thinner and less clumsy looking.
Still...I think I'll design some alternate blades for it. It's a modular design, after all.
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