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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2007 21:03:21 GMT
Im thinking about buying the cold steel grosse messer and would like your opinion on it. ive heard about loose hilts and whatnot and would like to know if they have fixed this. Also paul said some things about it so it would be nice if he chimed in.
Thanks
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Post by ShooterMike on Apr 25, 2007 0:19:51 GMT
My first functional sword was a Cold Steel Grosse Messer. Mine was a lemon so my experiences may not be representative of the model.
I had a lot of blade problems with mine being soft. The temper and hardness was totally ruined by overzealous sharpening at the factory. I have never heard of that on any other CS swords so I think mine was a lemon from that standpoint. However, what I also got was the handle slabs splitting and the welded-on threaded rod breaking so the pommel fell off on the ground. Same thing happened with my Cold Steel hand and a half.
On the other hand, my CS 1796 light cavalry saber has been great. So take my experiences with a grain of salt.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2007 2:24:28 GMT
Well if the cutting videos i have seen of this thing cutting through phone books with ease and whatnot are anything to go by then i would say it is a hell of a cutting weapon. That being said it is a heavy bath tub of a blade that is not really good for anything other than random destruction. Why would you be getting this blade? What purpose were you hoping to use it for? As i am sure you can find something better from windlass or something for around the same price.
Note: i do not own the blade and have never used it i am simply relating what i have read in reviews
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2007 2:53:50 GMT
The Grosse Messer was one of the first swords I wanted to get a few years ago, when I first really got into swords. I never ended up getting one, and the main reason was that I've read of 3 or 4 instances of complete blade failure during cutting. One snapped on a pumpkin (not exactly an especially tough target), but I don't remember the specifics of the others. THese failures were reported by different people across different forums, so it didn't appear to be an isolated problem (unless CS just had a bad batch, that all these people bought from, which I can't totally rule out). Keep in mind, however, that for these 3 or 4 failures, CS may have sold hundreds more that have held up fine. It's impossible to tell. Still, these failures diminished my confidence in the Messer enough to keep me from purchasing one. The only possible upside is that Windlass Steelcrafts is now making many of Cold Steel's swords, so, with any luck, the Messer is one of them. Unfortunately, I know of no way to confirm this. If they are making it, then I'd expect that quality would be more consistent. Maybe Hank Reinhardt will chime in and help us out here? If anybody here would know, it would be him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2007 4:42:58 GMT
a "pumpkin"? HAHAHA some people have all the luck.
I got a cold steel warrior katana 2 years ago and it came to me with lose fittings and a fairly dull blade. After that, I lost much confidence in the sharpness and quality of cold steel swords. However, later on, I examined the same model of the sword at a knife shop and all its fittings were perfect and its blade suprised me with a razor edge (ehhh..expecting it to be dull, I cut my finger on its blade) So, not that it's very reassuring, I think it's a hit or miss withCS
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2007 5:21:47 GMT
The cold steel grosse messer that I handled at a Ren. Faire(stocked by Brady of Age of Chivalry) was an amazingly well balanced sword with very well put together fittings, if a bit plain.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2007 8:00:02 GMT
... upside is that Windlass Steelcrafts is now making many of Cold Steel's swords, so, with any luck, the Messer is one of them. .... Windlass making C.S. product? so does tat mean it'll be UNsharpened like the rest of Windlass product, too??? If so, it'll be great for me! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2007 18:31:23 GMT
They're still made to Cold Steel's dimensions, so they're gonna still be AISI 1050, and they'll still have edges. What cold steel DOESN'T Specify is distal taper, which is why a lot of their swords balance better now, since I'm guessing windlass added some of that into a lot of the CS swords.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2007 18:48:20 GMT
As Adam says, they still come sharpened. I'm wondering if Cold Steel doesn't sharpen their swords "in house", though, since it's illegal (as far as I know) to export a sharp sword from India (the reason MRL/Atlanta Cutlery have to sharpen their swords after they get into the States. I wonder if you (Larry) could get in touch with Cold Steel and have them sell you a blunt version of one of their swords? Tell them about the import laws you face, and maybe they'll work with you.
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Post by rammstein on Apr 25, 2007 19:25:57 GMT
Or you could just ask them to bang it a few times on something nice and hard and voila! No more sharp edge! In fact, no edge at all, come to think of it ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2007 1:31:03 GMT
Kriegschwert, thanks for the helpful leads... shall try get in touch with C.S. concerning that. Rammstein, thanks for your 'helpful' suggestions, too... while I luv to have the blade blunt, I won't like to have it nicked ;D
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