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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 2:04:19 GMT
Freebooter, good to hear from you too. It has been a while. You guys are monsters with your 80 and 100 # bows! I stay in the 45-50 # range. I just could never comfortably go higher, even back when I was shooting a lot more often. I guess I'm just a girlyman... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 5:54:11 GMT
Freebooter, Don't forget that armadillos are dangerous to PETA-card-carrying motorists. I've seen many a critter-lovin' hippie run into a ditch, tree or barricade and on one EMT run with my dad, an oncoming car producing seriously injured and/or dead humans in an attempt to not kill an armadillo or opossum in the middle of their lane.
Folks, the Good Lord will provide another armadillo, squirrel, opossum, cat or dog if the world needs it. The body shop can fix your car. We can't replace you. Hit the damned thing and move on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 6:10:02 GMT
Hey Y'all, I agree Krieg, at one time years ago when I was a strong arsed sheetrocker I shot a 70lb recurve with no touble. That is 70lb @ 28" draw, and I draw like 30-31". With each inch it adds so many more lbs, I forget how many. Anyway, i dropped down to a 60lb bow, and that is the bow for me. I am 54 now, and am no athlete anymore, doing nothing but monitering inmates, issuing orders, daily counts three times a day and occasional fence checks.
And Ciasnova, what part of the Southland are you from? I am from Alabama and do indeed have a strong old time Southern accent with a bit of country black thrown in according to some. Like when you tell me something and I say in amazement something like "Is that sure enough true?", I actually probably sound more like " 'S'at sho'nuff true?" Sometimes I catch myself and try to speak more properly, especially in proper or polite company.
See, I was raised by my grandmother, who was old fashioned in ways and speech, and a block away was a black neighborhood I used to sneak over and play in. And since being grown have continually lived and worked around blacks. So my "Southern" accent is a mixture of old time Southron and Southern Blacks at times, or so I am told.
And you are right, the Southern ways and accents are slowly dying out. For many years people from north and west have moved down here, and the last couple of generations grew up with modern tv, hearing "straight" or non accent English on many stations and shows, technology, games, computers, etc, that my generation was not subjected to as much. We grew up hanging out with grandparents, running around the county playing, hunting arrowheads, hunting, running with and talking with other Southerners, etc..
So accents and languages do change I reckon. Look at how the English language has changed in England over the last few hundred years. At first it was Celtic, then Romans were there for 400 years, so southern England was a mixture of latin and celtic by the time the Romans left. Then the German Angles, Jutes, Saxons, etc, all invaded, not to mention northern Celts, Scots, Gaels, and Picts. The language melded and changed again over time. England basically came to speak mostly Germanic at one time, then the Vikings invaded and took over big parts of England, Scotland and Ireland over a few centures. Those lanuages mixed. Then last but not least the Norman French under William the Conqheror invaded and took over England in 1966. So since then, the English language has undergone many changes to get to what it is now. They say modern English is mixture of Latin, German, French, and some few Gaelic words, a few Spanish, etc. I think it is fascinating!
So, here in America, we had different sections that stayed the same with their accents due to cultural barriers and prejudices for the last couple of hundred years; but in recent decades blacks, whites, hispanics, and others have mingled and coexisted like never before. Listen to a bunch of school kids sometimes, especially where blacks, whites, and hispanics are mixed together. Some of these kids sound like to me they are speaking a different language along with crazy gestures. So in my opinion, in 100 years someone at that time will be speaking a totally different language than what we speak today, just like the difference between modern English and old English, which was more German. History is fascinating to me.
But as I was saying, my own sons don't talk like me. They laugh at me and the old timey expressions they say I use, that they don't. Like I still say "Over yonder!" and they say "Over there!", laughing at my use of old expression like "Yonder". They call me an old redneck and laugh when I get heated up in a discussion of the War for Southern Independence and what the Yankees did, etc.. They could absolutley care less, it was a long,, long time ago they say. But being raised by my grandmother in the 50s and 60s who spoke about her grandfathers fighting and getting wounded and killed, how the yankees busted in and burned and robbed their homes down, etc, like it was yesterday, tends to sink in and you are of a different mindset than those that were not subjected to that.
But oh Lordy, I have strayed far off topic so please forgive me for rambling on. I do tend to do that when I let my mind and fingers on the keys meld to a chain of thought, especially when I talking about history. Later, Pistolero, Alabama
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 6:22:29 GMT
Hey Danielandthelions, I hear ya partner! I have seen people wreck and kill or wound someone in an effort to dodge a squirl. I will dodge animals within reason because I don't want to hurt anything in that way, but if there are on coming trafffic on some very narrow road with trees and telephone poles all along the shoulder to my right, I will brake as much as I can, but I will not swerve and take a chance to hit another car or a pole to dodge an animal as much as I hate to hit one.
My brother stopped his car in the middle of the road, blocking traffic, and got out to move a turtle out of the road. That is commendable but to block traffic?!?!? P
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 7:16:40 GMT
danielandthelions-- Hey, so are you the EMT or your dad or both?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 16:29:42 GMT
Dad. He was an EMT and VFD for years. As a kid, we'd be out for donuts or on the way to baseball practice or whatever; the radio would squawk and he'd light 'em up and we'd go flying off to the scene. I loved it. Loved the speed, loved the lights, even liked seeing the gore. I was too young to realize how scary it was, people hurting or dead. It was just crushed cars, big fires and adrenaline to me. Now the time the fireworks stand caught on fire? That was awesome,... but we're hijacking this Archery thread.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2009 1:43:27 GMT
Freebooter I am from Arizona, so we get a good number of true Southerners but not enough to make your dialect predominant. I do think it's a shame, though, that people will laugh at old-fashioned words and phrases simply because they rarely hear them. There are many excellent parts of our language abandoned to history.
Kriegschwert, the bow I am getting is only 45 lbs, so I also am wondering at the guys who can draw 100. Then again I am still growing so there's hope for me yet, haha.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2009 4:28:03 GMT
the bow I am getting is only 45 lbs, so I also am wondering at the guys who can draw 100. Then again I am still growing so there's hope for me yet, haha. It's all in the technique mate The guys at Agincourt, Crecy and Poitiers used a different technique than the 'modern stance' most people use today. 'Shooting in the bow' it's called. Have a look at these Warbow shooters. . Alot of these guys are twice my age easily. It can be done! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2009 16:04:34 GMT
Chris, a nice little video. Having not really had any proper training over the years, I have developed some bad habits that I need to break in longbow shooting. That being said, perhaps someone could explain the technique seen in the vid. It looks a bit odd to me to say the least and seems as though it would have a detrimental effect on accuracy.
With relation to weights, there is also the mongol technique of placing the string very close to the anchor point with the bow and arm above the head, then pushing the bow out while bringing it down into position. This seems to help tremendously with heavier bows. My 12 year old used this to shoot a #50 lb bow a few months ago. Since he's a little guy none of us thought he could pull it, but it was the only bow available to him at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2009 22:17:03 GMT
Chris, a nice little video. Having not really had any proper training over the years, I have developed some bad habits that I need to break in longbow shooting. That being said, perhaps someone could explain the technique seen in the vid. It looks a bit odd to me to say the least and seems as though it would have a detrimental effect on accuracy. I'll explain as best I can though I'm not a pro myself (I still don't hold long enough in the draw). 'Shooting in the bow' relies on the muscles in the back rather than the arm. Hence when you see these guys shooting you see a much different stance than the modern one. It is REALLY hard to draw a Warbow using the modern stance. When shooting a Warbow the draw length is ALWAYS to the ear (or full length of the arrow). Arrows are mostly in the 30 to 32 inch range. www.englishwarbow.com/ has some good articles on the subject. As for accuracy, you can shoot just as accurate as any other archer (and with a lot more power given the draw weights). You're still aiming, it's just a different style of doing so
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2009 7:33:00 GMT
Thanks Chris.
Interesting. I guess the thing that's throwing me is the desired end result. I tend to think of things in terms of hunting and this is really my first exposure to the way wars might have been fought with bows.
In the vid at 36 sec there are two kids shooting. I can plainly see the kid in the red shirt is using his back to get the bow pulled. Bow arm straight, string arm starting in nearly the position of full draw with the body to my thinking at 90 degrees to the string then using the back to straighten the body to 180 to get the arrow to full draw. The kid next to him seems to be muscling it back with his arm.
I had heard that about english longbowmen but never understood what they meant. Thanks for the brain expansion!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2009 9:38:16 GMT
Thanks Chris. Interesting. I guess the thing that's throwing me is the desired end result. I tend to think of things in terms of hunting and this is really my first exposure to the way wars might have been fought with bows. In the vid at 36 sec there are two kids shooting. I can plainly see the kid in the red shirt is using his back to get the bow pulled. Bow arm straight, string arm starting in nearly the position of full draw with the body to my thinking at 90 degrees to the string then using the back to straighten the body to 180 to get the arrow to full draw. The kid next to him seems to be muscling it back with his arm. I had heard that about english longbowmen but never understood what they meant. Thanks for the brain expansion! No worries mate. Glad to introduce you to the Warbow
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2009 1:20:13 GMT
Thank you Chris. I have been wondering about that technique for a while and want to find an instructor in it, but everyone these days teaches the Victorian method
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2009 2:27:29 GMT
Hey y'all. I love that TradGang discussion forums site. Great place for someone who is strictly a traditional shooter and hunter. Great guys, info, threads, etc.. FB
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2009 9:44:27 GMT
Thank you Chris. I have been wondering about that technique for a while and want to find an instructor in it, but everyone these days teaches the Victorian method Yes, unfortunately the biggest concentration of Warbow Archers in in England (far away from most of us). If you do go to a modern archery club using warbow techniques be prepared (though not necessarily) to be bombarded with criticism regarding your draw length, draw weight, stance, technique etc. Many people using the old technique get told they should drop 60 pounds from their bow and shorten their arrows by 5 or so inches Having said that, alot of modern archers are fascinated by Warbows so it's not all bad
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2009 1:38:26 GMT
Merry Christmas, everyone! I've got my bow now, but I have a little concern to address. So far I've only shot in my friend's alley, but I would like to be able to use my bow in my backyard. My worry is, what happens if i miss the target and my arrow hits a brick wall? Do any of you shoot in your backyards (not the rural ones, but urban,) and how do you prevent damage to your arrows?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2009 2:59:49 GMT
Hello Aciesnova, I live in a regular suburban neighborhood and have wooden privacy fence, with houses to the rear and on each side of my house. I am not bragging but I am not worried about me missing much at the distance you shoot at in a regular backyard, but I had two sons that were growing up and learning the bow. And occasionally friends would stop by and see me shooting and just had to try a shot. And they would miss the whole yard and privacy fence a time or two. After going next door a few times due to them and to retrieve my arrows, and explaining to my neighbor why I had to get an arrow out of his pool, I finally I went ad found an old piece of conveyer belt (rubber with like four plies). I bought some four by fours and made me a tall rectangular frame and had this 5' wide by 7' tall piece of conveyer belt mmounted or hanging on it (that piece of belt was heavy and awkward too!). Then I would stand my deer target up in front of it, or my square box target or what have you. That way if I or my sons, friends, etc, missed the arrows would hit that conveyer belt. Regular target points bounced off while those pointier field points would stick just a tiny bit. But that old conveyer belt worked just fine as a back drop. Later, Freebooter
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2009 1:35:54 GMT
Freebooter, thanks, I've figured something out now. Two haystacks provide a decent backdrop for my target. Nonetheless, I've already hit the wall once--the result was interesting. The tip and the clip separated from the arrow shaft; the tip bounced back about three yards from the wall, and the shaft and clip rebounded about 15 yards, not far from reaching me. The arrow left an impression in the wall about 5mm deep. Another question: how do you secure the tips in your arrows (assuming you use the carbon-fiber type?) I've tried gorilla glue, but it didn't quite do the trick--sometimes it fails when I'm extracting a particularly troublesome arrow from the target...
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