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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2009 2:55:01 GMT
If it was possible cost and quality wise, would you deal with a forge here in the united states?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2009 3:16:38 GMT
Absolutely!
Tell us more.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2009 3:20:01 GMT
ya some details would be cool as im in contact with a few vendors
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2009 20:15:09 GMT
DSA is in my own country.
Any shop pictures or personal visits of the shop? It would be great to see the company at work, beyond conjecture.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2009 20:20:38 GMT
Mythos... Unless I'm thinking of someone else... I think Alvin went to Citadel not Bugei.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2009 23:21:43 GMT
I've recently realized that the question is directed at sword producers. So I guess that people like VA are expected to reply. Not me....... \ You are correct, this is directed to distributors and companies in the US who use Chinese and Indian etc forges. You mention DSA, I do not know them, what is your country of origin? Cunning plan....maybe......There is alot to think about.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 1:32:05 GMT
DSA. (Dark Sword Armory) Quebec Can.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2009 18:46:35 GMT
I think Eyal has a brick and mortar establishment in Canada....but I've never been so, take that for what its worth. Basically nothing.
What's your proposal, Sam?
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Post by Sonny Suttles on Dec 14, 2009 22:49:33 GMT
I am not sure if this is intended directly to companies like mine... But I'll bite. What are your thoughts Sam? You obviously have something in mind. If you feel more comfortable send me a PM
Sonny
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Post by djhere on Dec 15, 2009 4:48:18 GMT
If I could deal with a sword co in north am-of course.
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Post by stromloswordsusa on Dec 15, 2009 12:02:19 GMT
I would, when can you start?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2009 15:36:31 GMT
We actually tried to get a sword distributor to handle our line when we went wholesale only in 2001. I talked to friends in the business and settled on one company who I felt reached our customers. Our profit margin might have shrunk a little but at the time I didnt want to have to chase down my own dealer network.
When the distributor(all import) basicly ignored us we had to set out to build relationships on our own. Its a little harder but has allowed us to still have primary control over what we make. If the distributor had picked us up we would be locked into a catalog of items.
Yes Sonny I'm sure he directed it at guys like you, but I'll bet he is just stirring the pot! Nothing wrong with that so long as everyone plays nice.
We do still of course deal with individuals and take projects like the SBG Fanasty sword but the vast bulk of our business is wholesale.
In my eyes, distributors of goods here in the US have gotten used to huge profit margins to make up for poor quality control. I'm not just talking about swords, basicly all imported mass produced items. In the 1980's TVs had at the most 20% profit for the retailer, often 15%. Today you can wait for a sale and get 40% off on one! There is huge profit built into stuff today that our costs as north american makers simply cant afford.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2009 19:20:17 GMT
15%? sheesh. In the construction industry I'm often trying to scrape by on a 2% markup.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2009 23:51:52 GMT
No, I rarely if ever stir the pot for stirring the pot's sake.
I am thinking of a small co-op of american makers and craftsmen, using a work smarter not harder approach, keeping a production mindset to bring high quality, high performance, rock solid blades to american suppliers at a competitive price bracket. The idea is just in the planning stages now, I have not asked nor is anyone on board.
Blades also with REAL quality control, known steels with known heat treating practices, rockwell numbers for everything, no secrets.
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Post by Matt993f.o.d on Dec 15, 2009 23:58:35 GMT
I don't see any reason why that shouldnt be perfectly feasable. You go for it guys! China really needs some competition, in all its markets, and the US is where that competition should come from!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 3:46:12 GMT
Sam, Dan speaks well of you, do you have pics of your work, and do you do custom... also can you do chinese?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 4:25:12 GMT
Sam has posted his work here in the forum, very good stuff, I for one would consider relocating to work with him, a very good idea worth the effort, lots of competition but worth a try......SanMarc.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 19:55:48 GMT
sanmarc, where at? I'd like to see it.
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Post by Matthew Stagmer on Dec 16, 2009 21:21:57 GMT
Do tell Sam. I have 7 Bader space savers now and 11 total sanders. Im game for any "Pinky and the Brain" scenerio.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 21:28:02 GMT
I am very interested in seeing what comes out of this. I'm thinking: very good things for us sword buyers.
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