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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2009 0:24:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2009 1:16:39 GMT
Kc's stuff is always beautiful and simple. Their Kerambit is no different.
I love it, Szabla! You have great taste in Phillippine/Indonesian weapons!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2009 1:25:33 GMT
Damn! I need one...
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Post by randomnobody on Dec 8, 2009 7:42:42 GMT
That thing is terrifying.
I should get one...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2009 8:36:56 GMT
Traditionally, these have been known as non-lethal weapons in Indonesia's history in terms of the damage they do if we're speaking about cuts alone. What made these to deceptively dangerous was the fact that these blades were frequently laced with poison. Usually a local animal's venom.
There's a variation of this in other southeast asian cultures, where a deadly animal's ashes were spread either into the forging fires or sprinkled onto the blade before quenching to lace the blade with poison. The heat, of course, would kill off most toxins and this practice was merely symbolic; as if to imbue the blade with the spirit of the animal (say, a deadly spider or a cobra) as opposed to actually lacing the blade with poison.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2009 13:12:20 GMT
Random and I had exactly the same word in mind, terrifying. For some reason I am extremely uncomfortable with this kings of knows, remind me of raptor claws. I will eventually get one but not sure if I will get over my irrational fear of them, very odd will probably mean it bites me a time or two before I master it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2009 13:21:33 GMT
I never had a Korambit and I'm thinking about making one. I'd like to know first how effective they really are and if their way of handling is much different than the normal style of knife fighting. I'm used to fighting with normal, straight knives and such but I don't know about these. Sure, they do look terrifying and such, but I wonder if their fuction as a weapon is somehow limited. I mean, you can't really stab with them, at least not on a straight thrust. What do the experts say?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2009 14:33:19 GMT
Depends on the type of korambit, I have seen inside edge, outside edge, two edged. My opinion, you can stab with them you just have to change the way you strike. They are more of a ripping weapon, think raptor claw and the way you use them becomes apparent. Very different to nomral knife fighting styles because most of the techniques are ripping attacks with the point of the weapon, it is the main part that you use. Extremely strange to block with one these and not really a blocking weapon, for the most part they are an unexpected killing weapon and one of the weapons feared by LEOs for the speed and ease of deployment. There function as a weapon is not limited at al, if you know how to use them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2009 18:02:08 GMT
Just like bloodwraith said, this was used primarily as a ripping/tearing weapon, used for intimidation. Because the ring, when held, is wrapped around the index finger, a lot of Silat men I've learned from and trained with claim that the Kerambit would be a bad stabbing weapon as trying so would injure one's finger. The curved design is made so that a slash from it can penetrate deeper than if it were a straight blade, but even then they did not need to go deep. The intention was both to scare the opponent and, if laced with animal toxins, poison him as well.
You guys have the right idea about describing it as "terrifying" and similar to a raptor's claw. The Kerambit comes from an older weapon known as a Kuku Macan, which itself was modeled after the claw of a Tiger. The strikes from a kerambit from a historical perspective have been described as looking worse than they were, and generally being non-lethal if it were not for the poison on the blades.
Of course, Kris Cutlery's Kerambit are not laced with any toxins so if you flub up and stick yourself while using it, all you'd need would be some stitches in a worse case scenario. No too nice, but it's better than trying to get an antidote to something, hahaha!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 1:42:39 GMT
thepepperskull: do you have any pictures of antique kuku? I love those weapons, especially the one that is being offered by valiantco. I think the kuku is a far more dangerous weapon than the korambit, although double sided korambits open up a whole new world of techniques.
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Post by randomnobody on Dec 9, 2009 2:07:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 2:30:54 GMT
for those of your wondering, Noesantara is a very good seller. You should also check out Maranggi Knives, which sells their wares on ebay. They always include the store name in the item, so you can just search "Maranggi" in the item search.
Also, shipping like that isn't new to me. I live ion Canada and most of the stuff I get from the US is at LEAST 25. Kris Cutlery's stuff is always like 27 bucks and I'm like right on the border.
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Post by randomnobody on Dec 9, 2009 2:38:03 GMT
Oh, the shipping wasn't an issue in and of itself; that it set the item at a meager $10 over my current net worth... Maybe next paycheck... I'll have a look at Maranggi, too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 2:44:31 GMT
Please do. You won't be dissapointed. I have several goloks from them and they're fantastic. Also, if you guys are interested, there is a sword-length weapon very similar to the kerambit in the phillippines. It is a foreward-curved blade called a ginunting. Click here for some pics, a history lesson, and please share your thoughts!And to backtrack to get this back onto topic, I'll just say that Maranggi DOES sell kuku macan from time to time. I have one from him and it is gorgeous. I'll take a pic when time permits.
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Post by randomnobody on Dec 9, 2009 2:49:37 GMT
All I'm seeing at Maranggi right now are three karambit trainers and one karambit. Granted, it's a mighty fine little model. I'll keep an eye on 'em to see what they add. I've seen a few ginunting around the 'webz and rather like them, particularly the model by TFW. In fact, the first time I saw TFW's website, the first thing my eyes stuck to was the ginunting, and I nearly bought one on the spot. That is, except I had no money at the time. Blasted capital. I'm really, really liking that kuku bima thingy from noesantara...might just overdraft a hair for it...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 3:01:38 GMT
Yeah, Maranggi is an ebay store so you may have to wait until he posts up what you like, but you can always contact him and ask him what he currently has. I did that when inquiring about if he had any Sikin Pajang, and he replied by listing one in an auction.
Noesantara started off as an ebay seller, too. It's nice that he's got his own site now. I've always wondered what happened to him.
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Post by randomnobody on Dec 9, 2009 3:06:52 GMT
Yeah, they've the marks of an ebay store. One of their listings is actually a classic representation of what to avoid in an ebay store, in fact, though I'm sure it's (as usual) a translational issue or an error in copy/paste. noesantara.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=38No matter how many times they say it's wood, that sheath can only be leather, and in the initial description they call it a kerambit. Perhaps thats a general term for "knife" but I dunno. Either way, that's a nice bowie. Might shoot Maranggi and/or Noesantara some mail...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 3:51:21 GMT
That is a gorgeous k-bit random, I would like that one. Nice to see some non-euro,Japanese, chinese swords getting some love. The kuku macan is one of my favourite blade types and by extension the ginunting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 17:41:45 GMT
I carry a modern one, but I definitely like the look of that one. Looks just like the one Saladin took from his belt and slit Reynald's throat with, in KoH. Wicked.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2009 3:56:03 GMT
err, ebon, he didn't use a korambit mate, he used something that looked more like a rounded seax.
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