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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2009 6:57:03 GMT
Guys ... Please check out following site ... www.armae.com... French based company with swords, sabers and uniforms stretching from the dark ages right through till the American Civil War. VERY friendly people who keep their promise of answering your mail within 48 Hrs ... and if you like even in English if you like ... Now ... I sent them an email regarding their Napoleonic collection, more specific a question about the steel used in the collection. Since some weapons gave the impression of being manufactured by "Weaponedge", I asked them. The nice gentleman of ARMAE answered that these "Napoleonic" sabers were indeed manufactured in India but by a company named " Delhi Gun House". The weapons are made from carbon, ... but I don't seem to find allot about this Indian Firm ... reputation wise I mean. Is anyone acquainted with this Company. The people of Armae were very straight forward in telling me that although carbon is used, the saber's were certainly not suited for fencing with risk of "notching the blade"(I read this as more or less decorative purpose ?) ... So ... would they lean more towards "Depeeka" quality then towards Weaponedge ? The sabers seem VERY nice though with eye to detail and seem pinned ... their prices are most certainly also not over the top ! So please ... what do you reckon Thanks Hugh
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2009 11:21:28 GMT
I own three Weaponedge French Imperial Guard Swords right now, and have a large order coming from Stromloswords. Will have a review of these Imperial Guard Swords up this weekend. Armae is a good vendor and appear to be getting more comfortable with international sales. But you're gonna pay out the nose getting that stuff hauled back around the world again. Stromlo is a neighbor of yours. If the swords are your primary interest, you'll get about the same quality of weapon at a much better rate. ( These are MUCH better than Deepeeka weapons which are stage quality at best. But they appear to be on the soft end of the spectrum; no one seems to have or want hardness numbers. Supposedly soft cutting is okay. Keep in mind even with a battle ready sword, steel to steel fighting notches the heck out of the blade, so being timid is just the vendors way of saying they won't take the sword back if you want to play with it ;D ) IN either case, be sure to ask if what you want is in staock and available for immediate shipment. If the answer is no, be prepared to wait (MONTHS!!). These are not large vendors and they only produce weapons four months a year: when their smithies aren't in school . (grammar school) ( Sorry. But turnaround IS SLOW.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2009 14:13:12 GMT
... But you're gonna pay out the nose getting that stuff hauled back around the world again. Stromlo is a neighbor of yours ... ;D ... I live In the ... Netherlands Dave PROVINCE ZEALAND !! but you're not the first to make this mistake ! My fault ...I'm gonna change this right away ! Anyways thanks for the advice ! Hugh
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2009 15:07:33 GMT
If I'm not mistaken, they sell some old Valiant Armoury pieces, like this one: www.armae.com/moyenage/12moyenagecadre.htmIf I'm not mistaken, that is the old Lionheart from the VA Standard line; you could always tell the 'old' VA swords- most of them have that ugly little ricasso block, much like you'd expect on a modern knife. Noticed some old Hanwei/Paul Chen pieces, too. And some that I don't recognize at all...was it me or did some of their decorative pieces have a nicer look to them than some of their 'battle ready' ones?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2009 22:24:51 GMT
I live In the ... Netherlands Dave PROVINCE ZEALAND !! but you're not the first to make this mistake ! My fault ...I'm gonna change this right away !
Anyways thanks for the advice !
HughOooops. Let me wipe the dodo off my face. www.medieval-arms.co.uk/Here's an option if you want to try price shopping. Also en.empirecostume.com/empires euro prices are very competetive and they are great to deal with. Would love to get a dragoon uniform one of these days. Sure I'd look smashing as a 65 year old cavalryman
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2009 11:02:29 GMT
... Would love to get a dragoon uniform one of these days. Sure I'd look smashing as a 65 year old cavalryman AND WHY NOT DAVE !! WHAT KEEPS YOU ! When you go to the annual "Battle of Waterloo" reenactment at Waterloo you'll see people participating of all ages ! so ... ...a cheval dragon !! ... Vive L'Empereur !!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2009 12:20:18 GMT
Oooooh, they've got a French model cutlass! Wonder who the maker for that is?! Sweet!
Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2009 12:36:03 GMT
"ARMAE is the french Deepeeka distributor. We picked for our catalogue the most popular items produced byt the firm, but we may provide you with any needed product, just ask."
No doupt they have also Hanwei and Valiant products in their line, but I would be very cautious with anything manufactured by Depeeka.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2009 20:33:47 GMT
I own three Weaponedge French Imperial Guard Swords right now, and have a large order coming from Stromloswords. Will have a review of these Imperial Guard Swords up this weekend. Is that the 1814 Garde Du Corps? If so I'm looking forward to it, because that's one of my favourites, at least as far as blade-shapes go.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2009 23:56:45 GMT
Stromlo is a neighbor of yours. If the swords are your primary interest, you'll get about the same quality of weapon at a much better rate. ( These are MUCH better than Deepeeka weapons which are stage quality at best. But they appear to be on the soft end of the spectrum; no one seems to have or want hardness numbers. If you're referring to the swords from Stromlo, the number given to a member of another forum by the manufacturer (Weapon Edge of India) was 38HRC. Very soft by modern standards, but perfectly fine for most backyard cutting (water bottles, melons, thin to medium tatami, etc.).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2009 14:46:18 GMT
Hm, that is pretty soft; maybe that's why they're cheap from the manufacturer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2009 14:54:12 GMT
If I'm not mistaken, however, that was years ago and it's very difficult to verify. It's always brought up when discussing Weaponedge, but apparently no one actually knows how hard their blades are these days.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2009 15:55:55 GMT
Is that the 1814 Garde Du Corps? If so I'm looking forward to it, because that's one of my favourites, at least as far as blade-shapes go.
The 1814 is a restoration sword for the Bourbon house troops. But it shares the montmorency style blade used by Napoleons Imperial Heavy Cav
If you're referring to the swords from Stromlo, the number given to a member of another forum by the manufacturer (Weapon Edge of India) was 38HRC. Very soft by modern standards, but perfectly fine for most backyard cutting (water bottles, melons, thin to medium tatami, etc.).
Thanks. Thats the first time I've seen a number. Vendors and the company seem reticent on the subject. As you note that number is more than sufficient for recreational use, or chopping up Aunt Edna and serving her to your pet crocodiles.... ;D. Er, not meaning you'd do that to YOUR Aunt Edna, just any ole Ms Hypothetical Aunt... Oh never mind ;D
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Post by stromloswordsusa on Dec 7, 2009 11:57:51 GMT
Hi all, In response to some of the questions based on answers from weaponedge: The hardening on blades is TH, not DH. The steel I specify for my orders is 1050, the normal production swords are closer to 1040 or 1045. Honestly I think some I receive have been batch made out of lower carbon steel but the tempering leaves them all very strong. I dont have rockwell HC for the swords but would like to get them independently verified (any volunteers?) I will have a few of the nearly every model in the next few weeks and can post some additional pics. As the production is handmade, the production times vary and can be very lengthy esp if others have large orders in. They are supposed to pass on orders to me as distributor, but if they dont good luck, and hang in there with the waiting. I give discounts of $20per sword ordered that is not in stock for this reason. Please bless Dave for hanging in with the long wait for his swords!!! They do quality work but at the expense of time. I offer another $10 off the price of each sword for SBG members, free shipping for orders over $350 - and also I now allow access to wholesale pricing for anyone providing initial order is over $1000. In short, I'll try work with you, and get what you want, and try answer any questions as I know the website is in need of updating! Regards, Rob www.stromloswords.com
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2009 17:19:00 GMT
Hi all, In response to some of the questions based on answers from weaponedge: ... In short, I'll try work with you, and get what you want, and try answer any questions as I know the website is in need of updating! Regards, Rob www.stromloswords.comP.m sent ... Hugh
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 3:47:38 GMT
Hey Hugh, I am no expert by any means, but don't let the comment about steel and carbon and knicking the blade's edge throw you off. I have seen several original cavalry sabres, made of good steel for fighting, with knickes in the edge. A friend has an 1860 Cav sabre that his gr gr grandfather carried in the Prattville Dragoons, Co. "H", 3rd Alabama Cavalry Regt, Gen. Joe Wheeler's Cavalry Corps, C.S.A.. It has "H. Boker, Solingen, Germany" on the blade and it has a lot of little knicks alont the blade's edge (See my review of it and comparison with an MRL sabre). Another friend of mine had some sort of German sabre with a relatively short, wide, very curved blade his dad brought back from WWII. His dad said he had come across a country house or shack in France or Germany and in one room it was piled almost to the ceiling with those German sabres (I reckon they were German, looked it). Anyway, a European sabre, especially a German one, made for combat, is made out of very good steel seems to me. Even this one had battle scars and knicks on the blade.
Just thought I would add that. Later, Freebooter
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 8:48:32 GMT
Hey Hugh, I am no expert by any means, but don't let the comment about steel and carbon and nicking the blade's edge throw you off. I have seen several original cavalry sabers, made of good steel for fighting, with nicks in the edge. A friend has an 1860 Cav sabre that his gr gr grandfather carried in the Prattville Dragoons, Co. "H", 3rd Alabama Cavalry Regt, Gen. Joe Wheeler's Cavalry Corps, C.S.A.. It has "H. Boker, Solingen, Germany" on the blade and it has a lot of little knicks alont the blade's edge (See my review of it and comparison with an MRL sabre). Another friend of mine had some sort of German sabre with a relatively short, wide, very curved blade his dad brought back from WWII. His dad said he had come across a country house or shack in France or Germany and in one room it was piled almost to the ceiling with those German sabres (I reckon they were German, looked it). Anyway, a European sabre, especially a German one, made for combat, is made out of very good steel seems to me. Even this one had battle scars and knicks on the blade. Just thought I would add that. Later, Freebooter Thanks ... much appreciated ! I was only thinking that in many cases vendors try to sell their sabers(swords) as being "battle ready" so when this guy advice me not to smash steel to steel in order not to nick the blade, how should this be regarded then ... - "don' try this, cause my goods are in fact for decorative purposes only !" or - " don't try to cut a tree with these blades because this is (and was never !!!) their purpose ,or what they were intended to be used for!" Like most of us, I know what I can do or certainly should NEVER do or ATTEMPT with a saber or sword, something the vendor of course doesn't know (just another customer : I was certainly curious about the origin of his sabers, I knew they were Indian made. But you've got " quality and ... quality Greetz Hugh
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 16:04:53 GMT
I have had five of MRL's 1860 Lt. Cav. Sabres (gave them all away as gifts but one), and I have two of their Viking Swords, etc., all made by Windlass Steelcrafts. They are all very well made sabres and swords with great blades. They are so well tempered that you can bend them a lot and they spring back!
And as for other repros, watch out. I ordered me a repro 1860 Lt. Cav. Sabre from the main contracter during the Civil War, Ames Sword Company (yes, they are still around). Come to find out, their blades are made in India and their handles by Ames and then assembled at Ames's shop. A very beautiful, well made sabre for sure (I think I did a review here back then), but not one bit of difference from MRL's! Even the blade thickness, the mark of all repro 1860 Lt. Cav Sabres, were the same, only 3/16" from hilt to just a few inches form the point. That is why the repros are blade or end heavy. The original U.S. 1860 Lt. Cav. Sabre was near 1/4" at hilt and distally tapered to point. They were very well made, well balanced sabres! For the life of me, with today's techology, I have never understood why these modern manufacturers of repro sabres can't follow the original spechs to make a "Real" repro!
I have yet to handle the new 1840 Hvy Cav Sabre that MRL/Atlanta Cutlery now offers. Later, Freebooter
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 2:26:11 GMT
If I'm not mistaken, however, that was years ago and it's very difficult to verify. It's always brought up when discussing Weaponedge, but apparently no one actually knows how hard their blades are these days. True, I can't say what their current numbers are or whether they may differ depending upon steel type, but here's a link to a discussion from a couple years ago: www.swordforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81331&highlight=weaponedge, so I don't think it's pure speculation.
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