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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2009 16:36:57 GMT
okay so Im looking at this helmet www.swordsandarmor.com/mall/helmet-spangenhelm.htmbecause theres a sick deal on it and I want a helmet for SCA so my questions are will this helmet work for SCA ? and will it be able to fit my head (or if it doesnt how do I go about changing that/ can I change that ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2009 17:25:27 GMT
Hello Hairu, First, I'd advise finding a SCA group in your area and directly asking someone from there... From the little I know about SCA and from the looks of this helm, I'd say don't go for it...it looks like a cheap Pakistan/Indian repro like the ones from Deepeeka and doesn't look like anything from History I've seen...they don't give no sizing, is there any lining? I think it's more for display or costuming (if it fits your head) than anything else really...Then again, this advice is from my limited experience and knowledge, someone else more informed might give you sounder advice... For a not too expensive helm, I'd go for a Get Dressed For Battle one (they have a fairly good looking 14ga great helm, among other models), ask Wiwingti, he could get you a good price on it... What period/region/statute are you looking after for your kit? Keep us posted as to which helm you'll go for! Cheers, R. edited to add links that could be useful in choosing a greathelm (if that's what you are after): www.myarmoury.com/feature_spot_ghelm.htmlforums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ (use the search engine)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2009 17:57:27 GMT
well to make my kit simple to assemble Ive decided to go with a mercenary style persona in order to justify mix matched Armour from a later period so i can use older period or newer stuff and I havent fully decided on a region
My assumption in the helmet working for SCA was that it was in Hanweis reenactment catalogue and it is 16gauge
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2009 18:25:53 GMT
Hmm weird, I wanted to check it out on the casiberia website but couldn't find it. According to this website it is a GDFB helmet: legvi.tripod.com/armamentarium/id337.html but when I checked out GDFB I couldn't find it again. So it's probably discontinued. I know Richard @ swordnation has it on sale for about $50 but you would probably need to check availability first.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2009 18:35:55 GMT
Oh and on sizing, check the GDFB website because most models come in different sizes (except for this one maybe? couldn't find any info on it). They usually have an adjustable leather lining but I'll be able to tell more about this when my helmet arrives next week or so. Also think about what you plan to wear underneath it, do you want to wear an arming cap and mail coif underneath it? etc etc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2009 19:15:24 GMT
well to make my kit simple to assemble Ive decided to go with a mercenary style persona in order to justify mix matched Armour from a later period so i can use older period or newer stuff and I havent fully decided on a region My assumption in the helmet working for SCA was that it was in Hanweis reenactment catalogue and it is 16gauge You should really contact your local SCA group before making a purchase: many parts of equipment/armour are advertised by sellers/manufacturers as SCA legal but they are not always right...IIRC, you are in Ontario? Here is the Ontario SCA group/Kingdom link: www.ealdormere.ca/ or the main SCA webpage: www.sca.org/...hope this helps. Also, I'm pretty sure that this helmet, as nice looking as it is, is fantasy and not historical...furthermore, if you decide to purchase it, it doesn't look like it has a liner: getting the size would be important to know if you can wear an arming coiffe and mail under it...you also have to ask yourself how is it going to hold on your head: chin strap? With a great helm like that, in fact any helm, if it doesn't fit properly or doesn't have a good method of attachment, the least of movement -without even mentioning running- and you get the eye-slits (ocularia) in the back of your head...lol
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2009 19:17:02 GMT
well the sale on this helmet is no longer available so as of now i am no longers interested
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2009 20:02:28 GMT
Still, it'd be good to get sizing and other requirements from your local SCA chapter in the event you ever decide to join. If you're just looking for a kit to wear to a Faire (nothing wrong with that at all) then that helm would be ok; I wasn't able to see it as it was blocked by work but I've seen enough of them to know that a good many helms for sale are for display in a table or desk and usually run in the 18 to 20 gauge variety; light, non-contact thicknesses.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2009 21:18:21 GMT
okay so Im looking at this helmet www.swordsandarmor.com/mall/helmet-spangenhelm.htmbecause theres a sick deal on it and I want a helmet for SCA so my questions are will this helmet work for SCA ? and will it be able to fit my head (or if it doesnt how do I go about changing that/ can I change that ? The 18 gage ones ones will not pass heavy list inspection. The 16 gage ones may pass depending on the rivets. You may still have fitting issues. 14 gage, or lower, is will save you from headaches. You can get a safer starter helmet from Ascroft/Baker for $70 to $150. They ask you for head measurements and make them to order. If it does not fit, you send it back to be modified. www.ashcraftbaker.com/directory.htmI recommend you get there starter kit if you don't have elbows, knees, gorget basket and sword hilt. www.ashcraftbaker.com/beginer%20suit.htmI recommend you upgrade the elbows to a lighter stainless steel. I don't know what your budget is but get as much stainless steel as you can. Its lighter, stronger and does not rust. The cheapest helm from A/B, 14 gage, $70 will still be better then any of the ones in the link you posted. This was my first helmet which I used for two years. www.ashcraftbaker.com/14g%20ms%20Spangen.htmFurthermore, marshals will recognize A/B helms and not question the construction. For a first kit, I don't think people should worry about fitting into a particular time period or persona. Just get out there and start learning to fight. You can think more about how you want to look after two years for fighting. If you keep fighting, you will go through a few suits of armor before long. Old armor can be sold at events to other newbies. You will sell it easier if the maker is well known. Good Idea to talk to people at your local practice too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2009 0:18:52 GMT
I dont really have a budget right now I just saw a 45$ helmet and hoped it would work yeah I already fought last week for the first time it was painfull and the number one thing I didnt like was the loner helmet with which i couldnt see so the first item i want to get is a helmet
for armour I might likely go to the local guy that makes stuff in my town but the link you sent seems very good thank you tsafa
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2009 0:21:51 GMT
is all of their stuff SCA legal ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2009 4:30:33 GMT
is all of their stuff SCA legal ? Yes, all of Ascrofts armor is intended for SCA combat so it is built with SCA standards in mind. If there is anything in particular you want me to look at, post a link. Overall you will be a lot happier and safer with armor intended for combat rather then display. You will likely have to drill a hole into anything you buy for the chin strap. So if you buy it from that site you posted, it will not be returnable if you are not happy. It will defiantly not be returnable when it gets dented. You will save yourself more money in the long run if you buy the right thing the first time. You will see a lot better with an open face bar-grill.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2009 23:18:01 GMT
Those beginner kits looks very nice. Tsafa, if I purchase one of those beginner kits, what else will I need? I don't see anything for kidney protection.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2009 23:40:24 GMT
Those beginner kits looks very nice. Tsafa, if I purchase one of those beginner kits, what else will I need? I don't see anything for kidney protection. The starter kit only gives you the required hardpoints. You will need to buy leather to fill in the rest. I recommend 13 oz low grade armor from Springfield Leather. Tell them it is for making armor. It should cost about $90 for a side. The kidneys protection need not be rigid. You can just make a leather kidney belt and perhaps put some splints on the inside. For a beginner I recommend you make full chest and back protection. Look through the following thread and you will get some good ideas since the Ascroft starter kit is what I started out with too. I just use a kidney belt with aluminum splints these days. It comes up high in the front. /index.cgi?action=display&board=armour&thread=3632&page=1 Be sure to look at the pictures on the second page. I lot of people use la-cross equipment for the body and cover it up. Armor was often covered in period to keep from baking in the sun and so that people could tell who your were by your colors.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2009 0:38:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2009 4:39:35 GMT
Its overkill. Mild steel gets heavy as you keep adding pieces. You are going to end up with a 70 lb kit. You are never going to be able to move as fast as someone in a 30 lb kit. You will tire after 2 minutes. I had those gauntlets, very protective, very heavy. They weigh 3 lbs each. You are better of fighting in ABS plastic gauntlets until you can afford something in stainless steel. I fight in plastic gauntlets, so do a lot of Knights and Dukes because good stainless gauntlets cost upwards of $500. We don't calibrate for plate armor, we calibrate for mail. So wearing over protective plate armor gives a tactical disadvantage when we are fighting to the first good blow. Ideally we should all be wearing only 20 lbs of mail and a nasal helm, but that is not safe since the style we fight is designed to defeat this level of armor. If you want ready to go cheap armor, the most poplar is Dark Victory. For $230 you get everything except the helmet. darkvictory.com/html/catalog.htmlMost people fight in Dark Victory armor for their first year and get better armor after that. The armor is somewhat clunky. It tends to have a lot of dead spots where you will not feel the blows at all. Then people get pissed off and hit you really hard in the armpit, so you have to be really conscience about taking all blows. You are better off letting people tell you not to accept the blow if it is boarder-line. I really hate this armor, but it is where many people start. It is a good starting point. You can make the whole thing yourself too if you can get two pickle or carwash barrels. You can cut the pieces out with jigsaw and tie them together. That is what I did for my first kit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2009 15:25:13 GMT
why would you pay for that stuff thats the kind of armour you can make your self
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2009 17:31:01 GMT
You can make anything yourself, including the helmet. The issue is time. When I made my plastic armor it took my about 100 hrs because of all the trial and error. I had just started fighting and knew nothing about armor. If I had spent that time working I would have made more then $4,000. So while the material was free, it was the most expensive armor to date for me. Time is money.
The experience gained did pay out in the long run. I am now able to make good armor and repairs on my own and actually save money.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2009 21:14:20 GMT
So is that armor plastic, or leather? It doesn't look too bad. I really don't care that much how it looks as long as it works, since I am on a budget. If I buy the helm from ashcraftbaker and the kit from darkvictory, will I be ready to fight?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2009 23:57:51 GMT
Yes. If you buy the helmet from Ascroft and the kit from Dark victory, you will be 100% SCA legal. The is the easiest way to get started.
The Dark Victory armor is all plastic, cut from pickle barrels.
Like I said before, there will be some dead spots where cheap armor is not right up against your body and you will not feel the blows well. Make sure you are careful about taking those shots.
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